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Question 3
Finny highlights that Augustine spent 10 years as a Manichean, didn’t know Greek, shifted theology around 412 AD, taught “original guilt” (including infants needing baptism to avoid hell), and introduced just war theory; which of those details most challenges your instinct to treat Augustine as “early church,” and why does the timing (post–Nicaea) matter in this lesson?
Another way to ask: Which fact about Augustine most makes it hard for you to treat him as a solid “early church” guide, and why? Why does it matter that these changes happened after Nicaea?

Direct Answer Based on Finny’s teaching, the most destabilizing detail is that Augustine is both late (post–Nicaea) and the first major figure to systematize doctrines Calvinists lean on, despite not being a native Greek speaker and despite notable doctrinal innovations like “original guilt” and just war theory. The timing matters because Finny treats Nicaea (325) as a “watershed” separating early Christianity from later developments.

Support from Transcript:

  • Augustine born 354 AD—Finny notes he is “born 25 years after” Nicaea (325), calling Nicaea a “watershed between early Christianity and later Christianity.”
  • Augustine spent “10 years as a Manichean,” and Finny identifies Manicheans as a Gnostic group (“pinnacle of the Gnostics”).
  • Augustine “famously did not know Greek,” only tried late, so he’s “dealing with translations” though the New Testament was written in Greek.
  • Finny: Augustine’s “theology changes in 412 AD”; he initially “believed and taught free will,” then later changed.
  • He taught not only original sin but “original guilt,” including the idea that unbaptized infants would “die and go to hell.”
  • Finny says Augustine (with Ambrose) introduced “just war theology,” which was not present in “the first three centuries.”
Discussion Follow-ups Which is more concerning to you: lateness, language distance from the New Testament, or doctrinal novelty? How does defining “early church” more carefully change your confidence in Augustine-heavy arguments?