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Study leader reference - not a definitive answer
Question 4
Alyssa argued, “just because a command in Scripture is played out poorly does not mean it’s to be thrown out,” applying it to submission; where have you seen either the secular narrative (“submission is oppressive”) or the Christian ditch (“submission as a means for abuse”) shape your instincts, and what would it take for you to actually let Ephesians 5 redefine those instincts?
Another way to ask: Where have you been shaped more by the idea that “submission is always oppressive” or by the idea that “submission can excuse abuse”? What would it take for Ephesians 5 to reshape how you think about submission?
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Direct Answer
Alyssa’s point is that bad distortions of submission—either mocking it as oppression or using it to justify abuse—should not cancel what Scripture actually commands and describes. Letting Ephesians 5 redefine instincts would mean re-reading submission through Christ’s self-giving love and explicitly rejecting any “submission” that becomes harm.
- She names both pressures: culture says submission is “oppressive… controlling,” while a Christian “other side of the ditch” treats it as “a means for abuse.”
- She argues the principle: “because a command… is played out poorly does not mean it’s to be thrown out.”
- She quotes Ephesians 5: wives submit, but husbands must “love… as Christ… gave himself for her,” “nourishes… cherishes.”
- She directly rejects abuse as biblical: “Nowhere… does it say… beat the church… or… beat their wives.”
- She adds a safety clarification: “I do not condone abuse… If you need help, you should seek help.”