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Question 8
The speaker argues, “For hundreds of years… no hint is given that anyone else is upstream from doctrine,” and that bishops/elders are “Pennsylvania… not Parma”—how does that challenge the modern evangelical habit of treating celebrity pastors, confessions, or seminaries as if they can effectively *produce* doctrine rather than merely pass it on?
Another way to ask: If church leaders are supposed to pass on doctrine, not create it, how does that challenge the way evangelicals sometimes treat celebrity pastors, confessions, or seminaries as the real source of truth?
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Direct Answer
The speaker’s point challenges evangelicals (and others) to treat teachers and institutions as accountable transmitters, not creators, of doctrine. If only Jesus and the apostles are “upstream,” then celebrity pastors, confessions, and seminaries must be tested by apostolic teaching rather than functioning as practical final authorities.
- He states plainly: “No one else was ever placed upstream from doctrine,” and early Christians “consistently speak of Jesus and the apostles” as the sources.
- He affirms leaders’ role but limits it: bishops/elders “have authority to teach… but they’re not upstream from doctrine.”
- The analogy: leaders are like “Pennsylvania on the map… not Parma,” meaning they cannot manufacture “Parmesan” (doctrine).
- He says churches must “receive that Parmesan cheese and pass it on to us,” i.e., faithfully transmit.
- He warns that Catholics/Orthodox claim councils/pope are upstream; his critique implies any group can make a similar move.
- He even applies it to other groups: some “one true church” movements treat their teachings as “upstream from doctrine,” which he rejects.