Showing Radical Hospitality to a Fugitive Murderer Stephen Carr Is Shown Love By The Mennonites

Guide me o'er the great Jehovah Pilgrim through this barren land. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Hopeful Wandering Amish. Hopeful Wandering Amish has a live meeting on Zoom the first Saturday of each month at 6:00 AM Eastern Standard Time. But we do have an additional meeting taking place here, a bonus meeting we call it, here this coming Saturday, March the 14th at 2:00 PM Eastern Standard Time. Timothy Price from Nebraska plans on coming on this Saturday.

He visited Pennsylvania, and he was visiting some of these Amish that are going charismatic in Pennsylvania, and he wants to share a report on what he found and also the history of this charismatic Pentecostal movement, so it's something that you may consider wanting to join.

So our target audience at Hopeful Wandering Amish is mainly to the ex-Amish crowd, not so much trying to get Amish to leave their communities or anything like that, but it's more to help those that do leave to make good decisions if they leave. So this morning we're really excited to have Chester Weaver on again. He was on Hopeful Wandering Amish, I think it was a little over a year ago. Chester Weaver lives in Texas. He's part of Osceola Christian Fellowship, and he loves teaching, and he's very passionate about Christian history. And the other talks he had on Hopeful Wandering Amish had to do with Christian history, so you may want to check those talks out.

So good morning, Brother Chester. Are you ready? Yes. All right. I have a prayer for you, and then the time will be yours. Well, I should mention about your talk, Chester. Sorry, I forgot that part, but you plan on sharing about some radical hospitality that your parents did in 1988 housing a murder, and they were not aware of the crimes this individual had committed. But I guess you want to share the power of love and hospitality in this story, so we're really excited to hear what you have to share this morning.

So why don't we have a word of prayer? Thank you, Lord Jesus, for this beautiful morning. Thank you for blessing us so richly with life and hope. Thank you for redemption. Thank you for this beautiful story we're about to hear about the power of redemption and hospitality. We pray that you would bless this talk and bless everyone that is on here this morning, and we pray that your name would be glorified in the precious name of Jesus. Amen.

All right. The time is yours, Brother Chester.

Oh, you might have been I thought you might have been muted. I wasn't hearing you right away. Okay. So is my screen the full PowerPoint screen? No, it's just you. Okay. So I need to share then. That's right.

Okay. All right. Is that okay? Yes, that's perfect.

Well, good morning, everyone. My name is Chester Weaver. I live in Itasca, Texas, and this story happened a year after I actually moved to Texas. It has to do with my parents and my brother. And so I would like to share this story of radical hospitality with you. This is true. This is not made up. This actually happened in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, in 1988.

So with that, let's see. Now, how do I go to the next slide? If you click the arrows on your keypad, you should be able to go to the next slide. It doesn't work.

Do you have a yeah, is there a play button to click, maybe in the top of your screen somewhere?

What type of computer do you have, Chester? It usually works. Maybe I should come out and come back in again. Yeah, maybe. You could try that. All right. So let me try that.

Okay. Now, can you see that? Did that flip? Oh, yeah. We see a picture of your dad. Okay. So I just have to use my mouse then. Okay. So this is my father the year before he died. So he only is gone now less than two years. Some of you may know him.

And this is my mother. She's been gone now three years. So this is what she looked like in 2020 before she died. Now, this is what they looked like back at the time of this story, quite a bit younger, 1988, Chester and Esther Weaver.

Okay. So I need to share this map with you because this helps us understand put a picture in your mind. So I don't know if you can see my cursor or not. Can you see it moving?

Anyway. Yeah, we can see that. Okay. So the creek down at the bottom here is the Connauguinett Creek. The Connauguinett Creek is in the northern side of the Cumberland Valley. It starts out by Roxbury someplace, and of course, it's larger by the time it gets down by Newville. My parents live east of Newville and west of Carlisle, right along the Connauguinett Creek. And so my mother this is the home place right here where it says number one. This is the house, and this is the barn. Okay. So my mother had come out the house, walked a short distance down this road, and was down here at the creekbed, and she was clearing a space of weeds and grass so she could go fishing.

It had just rained, and the water was high, and she wanted to go fishing. She often fishes. And so while she was clearing this bank, she looked up, and she saw a man floating down this stream in a mortar tub, a mortar mixing tub where you mix mortar for laying bricks.

And he looked at her, and she looked at him, and they both waved, and she went about her business getting ready to go fishing. What wasn't very long later that this man was walking toward her on the edge of the creekbank. He came up to her, and he said to her, "Do you know where I could get some food?" And my mother says, "Well, my husband's up here at the house. We can go talk to him." And she said to him, "How do I know you won't hurt me?" And the man said, "I'd rather hurt you than help you, ma'am."

So they walked together up to the house and met my dad, and my dad realized that this man needs more than just food. He needs a job. And so they decided that he could live in the basement of their house, and he could work at the farm, but he wasn't very equipped, so they took him to Carlisle, and they got him a $54 pair of shoes. So they came back home. That was on a Thursday.

And it didn't take long for my parents to realize that this is an unsavory character. There's something wrong here. And he kept asking them what the news media is showing. And well, my dad doesn't have a television or a radio or even newspaper, so my dad couldn't provide any information as to what the news media was showing. But my youngest brother, who's a part of this story, was having a date Saturday night, and he didn't feel very comfortable having a date in the same house with this man. So they sent this man to my other brother who lives up at Newville.

And while they were eating supper, my other brother, Ethan, was asking him questions about his lifestyle. And my brother asking, "Where do you get your food?" Well, he's known as the mountain man. He finds it in the wild, and sometimes people give him some food. And then my brother asked him, "Well, what if nobody gives you food?" And then he said, "You steal."

And shocked my brother. They realized this is very different. Anyway, came home somewhere along the line. I think that my dad was studying for the Sunday school lesson the next day, and this man asked my dad, "Can a person be forgiven for killing other people?" Well, of course, my dad said, "Yeah, if there's repentance," and so on.

So they didn't quite know what to do with this man. Now they realized that this he told my dad that he had killed people. So my dad's in a predicament. What should he do? Well, the next morning, they went to church.

And between Sunday school and the preaching, he had to go outside and smoke. After church was over, they traveled several miles to visit my aunt, but he would not go into the house where my aunt was. And at church, the deacon and I'll show you a picture of him here shortly. He thought he got the newspaper, and he realized that the man that the whole community is hunting, a fugitive, is staying at Chester Weaver's house.

And he thought he owed my father help. And so he contacted the Carlisle Police Department and says, "I think I know where your man is that you're looking for." And the Carlisle Police Department didn't want to believe him, but the longer they talked, the more they realized this is probably their man.

And so they asked him to come into the police department and bring his cattle truck with him. And so he did. And they informed him that they're going to load his truck up with a SWAT team, and they're going to come down here to this house where my dad lives, and they're going to invade the house, break the house doors down, and get this man.

Well, now this man deacon, his name is Lavin Zimmerman Jr. Lavin is feeling terrible. Now he's helping these men break into my dad's house. But the police said, "You got to stay here. Can't do anything." So now let's go back to the story.

The next morning, Monday morning, my dad knows nothing. And so on this map, you notice that if this is the house and this is the barn, over here to the right is this road. It's called the Blowserville Road.

So my dad walks out behind this barn over here, and he has Steve Carr with him. And he's pointing out something. I don't know what he's pointing out, but there's a policeman watching him parked along this Blowserville Road, watching with binoculars.

And so he calls into the police department and asks, "Is this Chester Weaver trustworthy?" And Lavin Zimmerman, who's at the police department, says, "Yeah, he's trustworthy." The policeman thought that my dad was showing Steve Carr this pointing out the police car to Steve Carr.

And my dad didn't even know it was a police car. Anyway, not long after that, my dad had a chiropractor appointment, so he left him with my brother, my youngest brother who is not married yet, working on this farm. And he headed down this way on the road going east. He got down beyond the second farm here, number two, and he came to a policeman. And the policeman told him to stop and open up the trunk. And so my dad stopped and opened up the trunk. There's nothing in there.

And my dad said, "Well, what's up? What's going on?" And the policeman said, "Well, do you have such and such a person at your house?" My dad says, "Yes." And the policeman said, "Well, we're just about ready to storm the house with a SWAT team to get him." And my dad says, "Well, now that's really not necessary. You can get him out in the open here if you wait a few minutes." He says, "My son is going to bring cattle down the road from farm number one down this road, and he's going to drive into farm number two right here."

Well, at farm number two already, there's a garage, and there's a barn, and there are police cars there. And so the policeman tells the police department. The man who's out talking to my dad says, "Hold up everything. Hold operations. We got to make some adjustments here." So they put all the police cars inside the barn in the garage so that there's no police cars evident at all.

My dad did not know that by this time, the farm was surrounded by police and even helicopters in the air. Because this was a coordinated effort to get this man. So before long, my brother comes down the road, and I'll show you a picture of the truck, and I'll show you a picture of Lavin here shortly. So let's finish this map first. My brother comes down the road. My brother knows nothing about what's happening.

Pulls into the second farm, and as he pulls in, he tells Steve Carr to go out and open the gate right up straight ahead of him. And as Steve Carr gets out of this truck, my other brother, Curtis, comes out of the house and tells my brother Nevin, who's driving this truck, they're going to get him.

And as Steve Carr walked over here to this gate to open that, the police jumped out of the buildings with guns and said, "Down, down, down." Of course, he went down. He was not armed at all. And they apprehended him. And for some reason, my parents had told him they're not turning him in. And my brother came out of the house here, walked over to Steve on the ground, and said, "We did not turn you in."

All right. So now I'd like to click other pictures. So this is what Steve Carr looks like. This is a photo on the day of his capture, May 24.

And my dad said, "I wasn't afraid of him anytime," even though Carr had told him that he'd killed three people. As you can see, he looks rather rough. You can see his handcuffs on. He was 28 years old. And he had actually murdered in the state of Florida, and he was a fugitive up in Pennsylvania in the mountains on what we call the South Mountain over near Biglerville.

Okay. My brother says, "It felt creepy to be around him. To this day, I feel the hair on the back of my neck stand on end when I think back to this story." This is my brother Nevin. This is the one who was driving the truck whenever they apprehended him. By the first evening, Chester knew that they had had a criminal in their hands. Carr wanted to know what the TV news and newspapers were saying, but Chester told him he had no news source.

This is a picture of Lavin Zimmerman and his family. This is the man who felt obligated to protect my dad by going to the police. This is his family about that time.

He's no longer living anymore.

This is the sketch in the newspaper that Lavin recognized whenever he saw this man at church on Sunday morning. Did he look like this? The police asked Lavin. Now, I don't know how you explain the handcuffs on him there, but Lavin Zimmerman recognized the resemblance.

This is the truck that was being used riding toward the capture. And Steve actually told my dad, "God stopped me at your place."

My son owns this truck. This truck is now in Texas.

And this is a picture of my dad holding a sketch of Steve Carr later. That's the house where they lived.

Okay. So let's go back now to the crime. On the mountain, Steve Carr was known to the community as the mountain man. And as I said earlier, he got food by people giving some food sometimes, and sometimes he stole.

Well, this was close to where the Appalachian Trail crosses the top of the mountain. And along this Appalachian Trail, these two girls you see at the top left there, they were lesbians, and they were practicing lesbian activity. And this infuriated Steve Carr. He felt like they were taunting him. And so he shot both of these girls. He used eight bullets, killed the girl on the right, wounded the girl on the left.

The girl on the left crawled on her hands and knees out to the road and got help. And that's when the manhunt started.

So the girl survived was 31 years old, and the girl on the right was 29 when this murder happened.

Okay. So if you look at the top picture, you see the mortar tub.

No, that's not going to work. Let me go back. Okay. How can I go back?

Do you have arrows on the screen that you can click on? Yeah. There you go. Okay. So there's the mortar tub. This man was floating down the river. My parents went down, I guess, and they found it along the creek bank.

Okay. On the second picture there, this is the little house that Steve had erected for shelter in the mountain. And on the third picture, you can see the Appalachian Trail. Now, my screen has a band across it that interferes with some of that. Does your screen show that? A band across the pictures? Yeah. No, it doesn't. Okay. Good. So you can see that okay. Yes. So this is the newspaper article, and I'm not going to read all this.

So let me read just two items here in the center. This is my dad. He told me God couldn't forgive him for all he'd done. I said he could be forgiven.

And then my dad said, "If I had sent him off, they might not have caught him, and he would have killed somebody else. Sending him off would have been cruel. After all, he's a human being, too." So this is the radical hospitality. My dad said, "This man has a need. He was hungry.

He needed a job." So he was practicing radical hospitality in all good faith, not knowing what he was doing. He was just doing what he understood the situation called for. He was practicing radical hospitality. He was not prepared for it. It just came on him, and he did what he should have.

Okay. This is the newspaper again. And that's my dad and my younger brother. The one on the right is the one who was driving the truck.

Okay. So let me read this.

Stephen Roy Carr shot and killed Rebecca White and her partner, Claudia Brenner. He was escaping fugitives from Florida and hiding out in the woods and caves, occasionally receiving help from locals, as seen from the picture on the left, who remembered him as unusual.

However, it was later revealed by his lawyer that the homophobia caused him to shoot at the women because they were taunting him. He is now serving a life sentence. Now, I understand that this life sentence is nearing its end. This man may soon be out, be released from prison.

Okay. So there's a band on the right side with pictures. Is there any way I can get rid of that?

Okay. I don't know. Yes. Right here. I think I see how I can do it.

Yes. Thank you.

Okay. So after it was all over, not everybody thought my dad did what's right. Some people criticized my dad. "You should have never taken that man into your house." I don't feel that way.

I feel he practiced radical hospitality, and he did what he should have. Somebody said, I think this was a neighbor, "You single-handedly did with love and kindness what law enforcement could not do with helicopters and police cars." This is an illustration of what happens with radical hospitality.

Not only do you meet the needs of other people, but you show what the Gospel actually teaches. And this is powerful. It's not just good teaching. It's powerful. You single-handedly did with love and kindness what law enforcement could not do with helicopters and police cars.

Less than two months after his capture, Steve Carr wrote this letter to my dad from prison. And those of you who are looking at the screen, I will just read this to you. "Dear Chester, I'm sorry that it's taken me so long to write. I haven't been that busy or in the mood to write everybody, but tonight, or I should say morning, it's 1:30, I've been reading a book that I got from Oral Roberts on how to live a successful Christian life, and I learned eight things from this booklet. Number one, attend church regularly. Number two, study God's Word daily. Number three, learn to witness for Christ. Number four, practice seed faith. Number five, release your faith.

Number six, use a point of contact. Number seven, pray and seek God daily. Number eight, release your prayer language, tongues. The eighth one I still don't understand yet, but I'll learn it as I go along. I prayed after I got done, and God told me that I should write and let you know that even though through the hard times I will be facing, that He will take" And I can't read everything there.

Skipping down. It says he'll take good care of me. At first, I was thinking of killing myself. I'm not sure how far down. Yeah. But God promised me that He will look after me and to call my dad and tell him the good news that I'm not going to kill myself and my other friend, too. I do thank you all for starting me on the right track. Praise God. God showed me three miracles since I've been here. Number one, I'm reading more. Number two, the seed that I found in my room as from the mustard seed faith. Number three, to have my faith lifted up each weekend with a menachins. That's his word for Mennonite.

He didn't know how to say Mennonite, so he called it menachins. Coming to see me. Thanks to you that through you that other menachins come to see me. And I praise God each time they come to encourage and strengthen me in His work.

Will I write more later? God bless you all. Write. Love, Steve Carr. Okay. So now you see that it's not just my dad who's reaching out. There's the community who's reaching out to this man by going to visit him in prison.

The sad thing is that in prison, he was always cold, and he never warmed up to love. This man had never known love, even as a child, evidently. And this is what happens whenever nobody loves a person. They become strange. They become inhuman.

And so my dad showed him love, one of the few times he had love. And here's a group of people who are showing him love, and he appreciates it, even though he did not know how to respond to this love. You can see by this letter that he actually appreciated it.

Okay. My family has several mementos. And this is a Steve Carr photo. And when he was in prison, he wrote this book, God's Dream for Steve. And that's just the outside. It's just kind of it looks childish, but I mean, this man is a human being.

This is what it's like to be an unloved human being. A person can't develop naturally.

Okay. So this story is told briefly on David Brissot's book, The Kingdom That Turned the World Upside Down, page 71, 72. It's a chapter nine title. It's entitled, But What If? And so David's point was in The Kingdom of God is radical. What if what you do is actually dangerous?

David Brissot knew about this story, and that's why he put it in his book. He only put an abbreviated version of it. And you can read that on page 71 and 72. So that's a logical question. But as you see in this story, God was present. He protected my parents. He protected my brothers. He protected the church. There's nothing negative about this story.

Okay.

Two more books got written about this case. So Elam, if you can read the first couple lines there, I'd appreciate it.

Elam, can you read the first? Yes, I can. Okay. In this book, H.L. I'm not sure how to pronounce that last name, Polman. Yeah. Reconstructs the dramatic story of this murder case and traces its disposition through the criminal justice system. Drawing on interviews with participants as well as court records, he closely examines competing interpretations of the evidence. Was the attack a hate crime, a sex crime, a class crime? At the same time, he shows how a broad range of substantive and procedural issues, from the rights of the accused to the evaluation of potential mitigating circumstances, can influence the assessment of culpability in homicide cases.

Okay. So the book is entitled, The Whole Truth: A Case of Murder on the Appalachian Trail. Okay. So moving on, the girl who survived wrote this book. It's her story of surviving what she calls anti-gay violence. Her book is entitled, Eight Bullets.

So Carr claims that their lesbian activity taunted him to shoot both of them.

Okay. So let me come back to you.

Okay.

Okay. Am I still on or not?

You're not sharing any slides right now. No. Yeah. No. Can you see my image, though? No. I cannot see any image. Well, I see you on the screen. Yeah. Okay. Is that okay? Yes. Yes. Okay. But just in case you're trying to show something, I can't. No. No. I'm finished with the PowerPoint. And so maybe this whole story has raised some questions in the people who are listening. So I'd be glad to answer any questions that anybody has.

Yeah. Well, the really, really sad part is just the thought. I mean, looking at Steve Carr's picture there, he definitely looks like a very, very troubled person. And you pointed it out that he was never showing love. So it comes back to he probably grew up in a very broken home, a home with abuse and very disoriented home, probably.

And so that's the consequences of sin. And just the thought there's hundreds and thousands of children like that in the world we live. Just lots of brokenness. So we need people to repent of their sins, turn to God, and follow Him. So that's the sad part of the story. But what I was going to say, Chester, is the amazing part of the story is that Christ is here to redeem brokenness, and that's what your parents wore to Steve Carr, is to show him redemption, show him care, and show him what a true believer is.

So yeah. Radical hospitality. Radical hospitality, caring for the brokenhearted. Very beautiful. So yeah. Amazing story. So we'd like to open it up for any questions and comments for Chester. Feel free. I guess, Atlee will give you the ability to unmute yourself.

And we always really, really enjoy hearing from the audience. That's like the icing on the cake. And recently, I had someone reaching out to me and requested, well, the thought of being able to send a message through Zoom. So I'm not a tech person, but you should be able to, in your search bar, probably at the bottom of the screen or somewhere, be able to type in a message. So you're more than welcome to ask your question or make your comment verbally or just type a message out in the chat button. Yeah. Down below the screen, there's a chat button you can click on if you want to type a message and send it to us, and we should be able to get that on our end.

So yeah. Any questions or comments from anyone? Yeah. I just wanted to say, Chester, that I really like that story.

I'd probably be scared to do that myself because nowadays, there's a lot more people like that, I guess. I mean, maybe it's not a lot more people like that, but I think you see it more in the cities. You see people like that, though. Yes.

Well, we had a young fella that wanted to sleep at our house one night, and I knew he was kind of a bad character and stuff. I ended up putting him in the garage. I told him he could sleep in our vehicle in the garage, and I locked all the house doors. I mean, we had a lot of still have a lot of small children, but I felt very uncomfortable having him in the house. I put him in the garage instead.

Yes. That's something to consider. The situation with my dad, my youngest brother, you saw in the picture. There were no little children involved with this. Yeah. That would make a big difference.

Okay. Is that better, Elam? Yes. We can hear you clearly now. Yeah. I don't know how I got two of them up there, but Chester, good to see you this morning. Thanks for sharing about that story. Good to see you, John.

The thing that really impresses me is what your dad did. Not knowing the whole backstory of the whole thing, that wasn't a concern to him. And it seems to me, a lot of what we experience in life, we need to know the backstory before we do anything. We need to know more. We want more information. We want to be good stewards. We want, we want, we want.

But when we just respond, and I know there's probably two sides to this, but when we're called, your dad, his immediate response was to help this guy. And I think we need more of that, that radicalness. So we'll find out later. God's over it all of it. He's watching.

And I heard a story this weekend that a man was talking about he went and visited a friend who he hadn't seen in many, many years and sat down, and oh, they were having a good time, having coffee and rekindling their friendship. And as he talked, he caught on that this guy had had some bad physical issues in his life, which pretty much drained him of finances.

And this man that was telling the story said, "So do I go home and pray about it and consider what's going on and think about giving him some money or helping him, or do I dig into my pocket right then and there and give the guy some money because I got it?"

So yeah, I think sometimes we don't need to overanalyze things and overthink them, but just act on what God is telling us to do.

Good morning, Chester. Yes. So my question would be, did your dad feel your deacon was in error in getting the cops involved? No. How do you? No. He never had a problem with what Leaven Zimmerman did. Okay. So I was just wondering. He would be of the understanding that that's why you have police to take care of situations like that. And so this man did need to be apprehended, but he did not in other words, he felt like it was the proper thing for the police to do. He didn't want himself to be the person who delivered him up.

Correct. Just curious how

you really look at that, getting the cops involved or just if they should have if it would have been better to just keep trusting God and let God unfold. But no, I understand that because the law is here to govern the world. We don't call the cops on each other, but we call the cops out to take care of their own. That's right. Yeah.

Yeah. Thank you, Nathan. That's the two kingdoms in perspective here. Are there any more questions or comments?

Is there anyone else that would like to say something?

Well, may each of us be encouraged to be a light and a testimony in our communities as we see broken people around us. May our heart have compassion towards those people and those of us that grew up in Christian homes and homes with, yeah, care and order and all that. It's a tremendous blessing. It's something that a lot of people in this world don't experience.

So we're called to be the Society of the Redeemed and bring redemption wherever we go.

Is there anything else at all? We'd love to hear from you if there's anything you'd like to say. One thing I was just thinking is if there's people that want to talk on the phone line, they probably have to hang up and call back in.

I'm not sure if they can unmute themselves or not.

But I can give you my phone number if anybody wants to call me directly. My number is 817-648-1863.

So you may have the next person that wants to write a book on this give you a call now, Chester.

But no, this was a great story. I really appreciate it, Chester. A very good story. And wish I could thank your dad for, yeah, taking that step and showing Christ to. I should tell you, this was nothing unusual. This is the way my dad was. This is his character. All he did was act out of his character. And my mother acted out of their character. They did not think they were doing anything heroic. This is just the way they lived.

So when they showed up at church on Sunday with Steve and Carr, were any of the Mennonites upset that they brought such a strange-looking character to church? I don't know. They probably felt a little awkward, but my dad never said anybody made a deal about it. Everybody just understood he was a little different.

Sure. Your dad was a little different than the rest of the Mennonites? Well, I don't know. Maybe Steve Carr at least was different. Sure. So your dad was Eastern Mennonite. Is that right? That's right. That's right. Where did he go to church at? Church Town. The Church Town Church, which was south of Carlisle, is where this happened. I mean, where he went to church, where the deacon saw him.

Yeah. Very interesting. Well, if there's no other questions or comments, I guess we can close with prayer, and y'all can consider yourselves dismissed. Would you close us in prayer, Brother Chester? Yes. Heavenly Father, I thank you for my father and mother and their open love, their radical hospitality, and they were willing to share a little bit of love with Steve Carr.

Thank you for their illustration, not their preaching, but their actions that demonstrated this radical love. And our Father, as Steve Carr gets released from prison, I do pray that you would prevent him from repeating any of this, but that somehow he would be in contact with other people who could love him. And he might still find redemption before his life ends. So take care of Steve and bless us and give us courage to do what we need to do on the moment because we have in our hearts that we love everyone and honor all men. And we don't try to rationalize away our obedience, but we just respond in love because humans are humans, and they need to be honored as humans.

So thank you for this time together. Bless us as we go from here in Jesus' name. Amen. Hey, Chester, one more thing. I was hoping Patrick Matthews would come on this morning. I talked to him about this story, and he said he tried to reach Steve Carr.

And he seemed to be under an impression that Steve Carr had passed away. Well, we heard that. But then we also heard that he's too soon to be released. So I'm not positive which way is correct. So you don't have any way of reaching him?

I don't even think the family has tried. After he became cold, nobody really continued to pursue. So maybe somebody should. Yeah. That would be interesting if somebody could reach him and kind of hear an updated story on how he's doing. Yeah. Thank you for that.

All right. Well, God bless everyone, and thank you for joining this morning. Guide me, O the great Jehovah, pilgrim through this barren land.