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Question 5
The chapter notes that the Catholic Church “encouraged such Christian perfectionism, so long as it remained under the control of the Church”; what does this reveal about how religious systems can domesticate radical obedience, and what modern “controls” function similarly today?
Another way to ask: If the church supported “perfectionism” only when it stayed under church control, what does that show about how religious systems can tame radical obedience? What kinds of modern rules or pressures do the same thing today?

Direct Answer The transcript suggests religious systems may tolerate radical obedience as long as it does not challenge the system’s authority or stability; once it begins to “upset the existing religious system,” it is punished. “Control” becomes a way to keep Kingdom living private and non-threatening rather than prophetic and reforming.

Support from Transcript:

  • The Church “encouraged such Christian perfectionism, so long as it remained under the control of the Church.”
  • It “usually had no objections” to a Kingdom life “so long as they did nothing to upset the existing religious system.”
  • But “when Kingdom Christians began preaching the Kingdom message, or when they tried to reform the Church, the hammer… came down on them hard.”
  • Examples of this “hammer”: Arnold of Brescia was “hung and then burned”; Pierre de Broyce was “eventually burned”; Henry of Lausanne was driven out using “the power of the nobility.”
  • The system seems especially reactive when obedience becomes public teaching and reform, not merely private devotion.
Discussion Follow-ups The transcript doesn’t name modern equivalents, but a reasonable inference is that today’s “controls” could be institutional permission structures—who is allowed to teach, what topics are acceptable, and whether obedience is welcomed only when it stays quiet and non-disruptive.