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Question 3
Pike presents the Catholic appeal to John 14/16 as justification for “progressive revelation” (with the National Catholic Register quote and Newman’s seed/bud/flower analogies)—what parts of that approach seem persuasive to you, and where do you think it crosses a line from organic growth into adding new doctrine?
Another way to ask: What seems convincing to you about the idea that doctrine can “develop” over time like a seed growing? Where do you think it turns into adding beliefs the apostles never taught?

Direct Answer Chuck Pike presents why the Catholic reading can feel persuasive: it takes seriously Jesus’ promise that the Spirit would “lead you into all truth” and explains how teachings can appear later. But he says it crosses the line when “you” is redefined as the Roman Catholic Church and later practices are treated as Spirit-revealed doctrines even though they are “not found in Scripture” and were not in the early church.

Support from Transcript:

  • He summarizes the Catholic claim: the Spirit guides “the church…over time through progressive revelation.”
  • He quotes the National Catholic Register: “The church…learns things through the ages…knowledge did not cease to grow…after the apostles.”
  • He explains Newman’s analogies: doctrine develops like “a baby” growing, a “tree” growing, a flower moving from “bud” to “full flower.”
  • Pike says Newman uses the parables to argue not only numerical spread but “gaining new truth and new teachings over time.”
  • Pike lists examples of “new teachings” Catholics accept as legitimate development: “praying to Mary and the saints,” “venerating statues,” Mary’s bodily assumption, papal infallibility, priestly celibacy, purgatory, crusades.
  • Pike’s boundary: the apostles received “complete” knowledge; the church should have “no additions nor subtractions.”
Discussion Follow-ups What kinds of “development” are legitimate (clearer explanation, better defense) versus illegitimate (new required beliefs)? How would you test the difference using Pike’s criteria?