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Question 10
Origen’s response to Celsus says Christians “refuse to fight under the king” but fight “in a divine way” through prayer, and Bercot links that to the later collapse of the empire after Christians took up the sword; what would it cost—and what would it require of faith—for you to believe prayer is genuinely more protective and politically “useful” than military force?
Another way to ask: If Christians fight by praying instead of joining the king’s army, what would it cost you to really believe prayer protects and helps society more than military force? What kind of faith would you need to live that way?

Direct Answer Based on the transcript, it would cost the sense of safety that comes from “human means” and require trusting that God, not the sword, protects His people and even restrains evil through Christian prayer and suffering. Bercot’s broader argument is that early Christians believed God preserved the church without violence, and that abandoning that way later was not a blessing.

Support from Transcript:

  • Origen says when God permits persecution, “we suffer,” and when God wishes freedom, “we enjoy a wonderful peace,” “trusting in the protection” of Christ who “overcome the world.”
  • Bercot describes early Christians under a “death sentence,” yet they did not fight; they either fled or “preferred to die than to kill.”
  • He says they stood with “naked hands,” signaling they would not use “human means” to preserve the church, trusting “God and God alone as their protector.”
  • He argues God protected them: “The Romans never were able to stamp out the church.”
  • He comments Constantine “ended up not being a blessing,” implying a later shift in Christianity’s relationship to power and force.
  • The transcript is truncated right as Origen begins answering Celsus directly about helping the king, so the full “divine way” quotation is not fully shown here.
Discussion Follow-ups If prayer and nonresistance are truly effective, what kind of evidence (personal or historical) would you expect to see—and do you think the early church believed they saw it?