S2S Sisters: "The Power of a Well Ordered Home" by Mariel Frost
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Our prayer is that you will be filled with the knowledge of His will, strengthened with all might according to His glorious power. Good afternoon, ladies. So nice to have each of you here this afternoon, and we are coming to you this afternoon. I'm coming to you this afternoon from Western Massachusetts. My name is Doreen Kurtz, and I want to welcome our speaker today, Marielle Frost.
She is planning to share with us on the power of a well-ordered home. You might recognize Marielle from other talks on this platform. Marielle has shared the Born Crucified talk as well as another one, and I can't quite remember that title at this moment, but excellent talks as well that you can go back and listen to when you have time. I'm looking forward to listening in on this this afternoon.
I'm in the thick of raising my family right now, and I feel like there's going to be a lot of good things for me to hear this afternoon. I'd like to read the talk description of Marielle's talk here.
It says, "There is power in a well-ordered home. It serves as a platform for hospitality and a launchpad for ministry. It is a sanctuary of rest and a source of peace. A well-ordered home isn't perfect or fancy, but it functions smoothly like a well-oiled machine. It produces more fruit for the kingdom than individual family members could achieve alone. A well-ordered home is built on teamwork, servant leadership, and right priorities. By God's grace, we are all capable of creating a well-ordered home."
Marielle has much experience in running a home and raising a family, and much experience in caring for others. She's been a blessing in my life many times when we visited, and also a support to Joe and I in our journey here in Massachusetts. So God bless you today, Marielle, as you share with us. And I would like to have another word of prayer for you before you start, and then you can just go ahead from there. Maybe one more thing I'll say yet is that for those of you that are new on this platform, there's a question-and-answer session after Marielle's talk when you can ask her or comment on things that she's shared.
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So be thinking about things that come to your mind that you would like to ask her when she's finished. All right, let's pray. Pray, Marielle.
Father, thank you for this opportunity. Thank you for Marielle and her journey and her faithfulness to You, Lord.
I ask that You will just abundantly bless her this afternoon. Please pour out Your Holy Spirit on her afresh right now. Father, I pray that You would honor her walk of faith and service to You, and that she will just be given each word and each thought as she needs it here, Lord. And we ask that this talk could offer an abundance of hope to the listeners and that we could learn something new today, Father. Please bless each woman on this call today and their hunger and thirst for righteousness.
Lord, You promise that when we diligently seek You, that we'll find You, and that You won't get after us for asking for wisdom. So Lord, I pray that You would just bless and sustain Marielle. Father, we realize that she has spent much time caring for Mike right now and all the other things that she's responsible for. Father, we lift her up to You in Jesus' name. Amen.
Amen. Thank you so much, Doreen. I just really feel God's presence and feel like I'm, yeah, walking a little bit on holy ground here, which is a blessing. Yeah, there's so much to be said about a well-ordered home, and there's so much that's already been said. And yeah, there's books and books about child training and all of that. And I'm not going to cover everything. I am going to go through some practical points, but first, I'm just going to kind of lay a foundation and biblical foundation and just do a little vision casting. Then we'll get into some more practical stuff. And I would really love it if, especially when we're going through the more practical stuff, some of you ladies that are tuned in live would make a note of some of the ways that you've applied these things and also other ideas that don't get mentioned because there's so much that could be gone over, because I think it would be really good if we heard from each other during the question-and-answer period.
So all right, let's just launch right in. Back in 2008, two researchers at the University of Pennsylvania published a study called The Paradox of Declining Female Happiness. I'm going to read you the abstract from that study. It says, "By many objective measures, the lives of women in the United States have improved over the past 35 years. Yet we show that measures of subjective well-being indicate that women's happiness has declined both absolutely and relative to men. The paradox of women's declining relative well-being is found across various datasets, measures of subjective well-being, and is pervasive across demographic groups and industrialized countries."
In other words, according to this study, women's lives have steadily improved since the 1970s. Wages for women have increased, career options have expanded, educational opportunities are wide open. Women now have control over their fertility, and modern appliances have set women free from the so-called drudgery of domestics. And so women are still less happy now than they were in the 1970s, and that was kind of the point of this paper in 2008.
Here's another example of a similar phenomenon. This is a book that I picked up in a thrift store. It's called Home Alone America. And I'm just going to read to you what it says on the back of the dust jacket here. It says, "Eberstaedt offers hard data proving that absent parents are the common denominator of many recent epidemics. Eberstaedt reopens the forbidden question of just how much children need their parents, especially their mothers. What is the cumulative effect of the modern adult exodus from the home? Has the United States already reached a tipping point in this society of unattended children and teenagers? And if so, what does that mean for our future?" And both that study and the book were published almost 10 years ago.
As we know, things have gone from bad to much worse.
Of course, none of this is really surprising to any of us. What's interesting is that these authors are not conservative Christians.
And yeah, yet they're recognizing that there's definitely an undeniable consequence of the exodus of women from their homes. It's affecting children, it's affecting society, and it's affecting the women themselves. They're no longer as happy as they were. To many of you listening to this, probably the 1970s seems like ancient history, and the social decline we're seeing all around us is just kind of par for the course. Some of you have gotten so used to it, bad as it really is, that it's lost a lot of its shock value because you grew up with all of this. And you might get tired of hearing old ladies like me say, you know, "Wow, things have changed so much, and it's changing so quickly."
And the chances are that if you're listening to this, you were raised in a home with a stay-at-home mom and a reasonable amount of order. You know it was a good thing. But if you're a young mom yourself, you're probably honestly not sure how important staying at home with your children really is.
It might seem kind of inconsequential. After all, in a world as messed up as ours is, wouldn't it make more sense for you to limit the number of children and do something more important, maybe delegate some of the homemaking and make a difference in the world?
I get that. And I have wrestled over the years with feeling like just providing a home for my family is kind of irrelevant. But I just want to make the point today that it's not irrelevant. It's actually very, very important. And sometimes it may feel like you're just buried in obscurity, changing diapers and wiping noses, but really you are making a huge difference, not only in the kingdom of God, but in the world in general.
And I know also that for some of you, maybe you came from a stable, well-ordered home or what looked like that on the outside. And I'm very sorry if this is the case for you. But sometimes a well-ordered home is a cover for some really serious moral disorder. And sometimes there's the temptation to just get disgusted with that form of godliness that lacks power, and you're ready to just throw out the baby with the bathwater.
So I just want to give a little bit of my own story, maybe tell you why I feel I'm kind of qualified to plead for you to take a fresh look at being a homemaker and getting excited about it.
First of all, I was born in 1970. I grew up as a non-Christian during the years that were cited earlier as the baseline for the Female Happiness Study. And following all the normal trends, I was encouraged by my parents to pursue any path in life that I wanted. I dreamed of being a professional something. I thought maybe at first I'd be a professional astronaut, or then I wanted to be the producer of science documentaries.
I considered being a college professor or maybe a corporate executive. And I was given an excellent education and encouraged to do something, something great. But before I got very far down that path, God intervened. I was born again when I was 21, and being a Christian was a major paradigm shift. I was truly a new creature in Christ, but I still wanted to do something great. I just figured now I would do something great for God. I would be a professional Christian and use my education and my strengths to impact the world.
After five years of marriage, Mike and I were finally ready to have children. By this time, we were taking the Bible seriously enough to concede that I really should be a stay-at-home mom. So I quit work, and we had the perfect family. We had one little boy and one little girl, and I was prepared to just kind of scale back slightly and do something great on a more local level.
And again, God intervened. We wound up giving God total control of our family planning. And over the next 18 years, He gave us 10 more children through birth and adoption. This was a huge game changer for me. Suddenly, I was launched into a job for which I had absolutely no training and no experience. I never even did any babysitting, to speak of, when I was growing up. And here I was surrounded by lots and lots of children. I soon realized that I was going to have to make this my career. I was going to have to apply myself to this task of raising a family in much the same way I had planned to excel in some professional career.
Now, the transformation from where I was when I started being a housekeeper to where I am now was not always easy. It wasn't always smooth or pretty. But as a result of the years I have spent kind of buried in obscurity of birthing, raising, and educating my family, I have become fully convinced that being a homemaker and doing it well is a worthy career.
I am convinced that it has been every bit as challenging and rewarding as any career I thought I wanted to pursue. And it's also been much more humbling and refining. And it's also, I'm convinced, made a difference for the kingdom of God.
The bottom line is I have realized that being great isn't nearly as important as being faithful. The secular world says, "Go do something great." The Christian world often says, "Go do something great for God." And I'm convinced that God is really saying, "Be faithful where you are. I'm great, and that's enough."
Looking around at the world today, we see the effects of dysfunction and trauma and disorder everywhere. We certainly can't fix all the world's problems by being homemakers. But I do believe that we can give the world some stable people with a heart to serve others. We can provide a sanctuary of rest in the midst of all the busyness. We can provide a place of peace amidst all the craziness. We can provide a place of hospitality for strangers and for friends. We can provide that launchpad for our families to enter this lost and dying world and minister grace and peace.
We can't be the answer, or we can be the answer that the world is looking for, even if when they hear that answer, they don't think that it's the answer they're looking for. Mother Teresa put it this way. She said, "If you want to change the world, go home and love your family." And I think she was probably onto something.
So the title of this session is The Power of a Well-Ordered Home. And I really do believe that a well-ordered home is powerful. But just staying at home is not the key. The power is in the order. A well-ordered home is consistent with the very nature of God. When we catch a vision for creating order out of chaos, we have caught a vision for partnering with God in the work He's doing in the world.
We all know that God is a God of order. We are all familiar with 1 Corinthians 14:40 that says, "Let all things be done decently and in order." Additionally, we know that the Old Testament is full of orderly instructions. And even in the New Testament, we see that there's a lot of ordinal or in-order exhortations like "Clean first the inside of the cup" or "Seek ye first the kingdom of God."
But I want to take a minute and lay a biblical foundation for order by going back to Genesis chapter 1. I'm just going to read the first five verses. "In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, 'Let there be light.' And there was light. And God saw the light that it was good. And God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And the evening and the morning were the first day."
So in the beginning, God created something, but it was without shape. It was empty, and it was dark. Then God began to speak. He spoke, and there was light. Next, God began to divide. He divided the light from the darkness. Then God called. He called the light day, and the darkness He called night.
So God brought order out of the chaos. God spoke, and there was substance where there had been nothing. God divided, and there was structure, rather, where there had been formlessness. And He called, and things were named. Once there are names, there can be communication. And once there is communication, there can be relationship.
And we see this same pattern repeated again in the New Testament through the life of Jesus Christ. Jesus created. He created wine out of water. It was His first miracle. He created peace in the midst of that storm. He created new creatures out of fallen men. And then Jesus divided. He divided history itself between BC and AD. He divides the sheep from the goats and the believers from the unbelievers. Jesus also called. He called His disciples. He called out demons. He called out sin.
We are made in God's image. So is it any wonder that we long to follow in that example? We create, we divide, we organize, we order our world. It's what people do. We bring order to a forest, and we call it a park. We bring order to a field, and we call it a garden. We bring order to colors, and we call it art.
And when we bring order to a house where a bunch of people live and grow up, we are creating a well-ordered home. Being keepers at home is how we married women find our place in this grand scheme of things.
Titus 2 makes it clear that we are keepers of the home front. We are its guardian, its custodian. The word keeper there is very similar to what you'd have with a gatekeeper or a shopkeeper. So our homes are the corner of the world that we have been assigned to guard and to manage.
It's our place to create, to divide, and to call. So how do we create? We create life, literally, obviously. And then we also bring it about spiritually by travailing for our children. We divide. We divide right from wrong, appropriate from inappropriate. We organize our homes. We call. We call out sin. We call our children into adulthood. We teach our children to name things and to communicate with the world around them.
All right. So that's my foundation. Now I want to switch gears and go into the more practical side of a well-ordered home.
In preparation for this talk, I reached out to quite a few women and asked them to share wisdom from their years of homemaking. And I was amazed and blessed by how much overlap there was in their responses. There were so many points that were repeated in so many different ways. And I found this encouraging because it means that a well-ordered home is neither mysterious nor out of reach. It is not just for the few who have that right organized personality or the right cultural background. It's really not rocket science. It can be taught, and it can be learned.
I took what these ladies had to share and combined it with a bunch of my own thoughts and made about 30 slides or so that I'm going to share and comment on. I know some of you are listening, so you won't see the slides, but they're just very basic.
I'll read each one, and they just give the rest of you something to look at besides me. And as I compiled these notes, I realized there are at least three dimensions to be considered in a well-ordered home. There's probably more, but these are the three that stood out to me. There's the physical realm. There's order in the idea of values, and then there's order in authority structures. So I'll just comment on these briefly, and then I'll share my screen.
Okay. When a home is in order, we usually mean that it is neat and uncluttered. Some people just love this kind of order, and they excel at creating it. I was recently given a beautiful book all about creative ways to store things in cute little cubbies and shelves and labels, and you can organize every room. And some people are great at that, and it really is amazing. But perfection is not really the goal here. What is more important when we talk about order in the physical environment is that there would be peacefulness and that there would also be sustainability, I think, for the long haul. So if you're not one of those people that loves to organize things, then I think you can still have a well-ordered home.
But this is part of it, for sure.
Okay. The other thing is that there's order and values. This has to do with how we spend our time and how we prioritize our life. It has a lot to do with time management. I know some women who do not have the cleanest house around, but they get a lot done. And the reason is because they prioritize service, they prioritize education and creativity, and they do it well.
Lastly, there's a need for order in regards to authority. Having a good, healthy grasp of the authority structure that God can bless is very important. Having clear, healthy lines of authority in our home is key to having order and peace.
So I hope we can touch on all of these dimensions, both directly and indirectly, as we go through these slides. "A routine makes everything flow a lot better. The children know what is expected, and it brings security." All right. So this was a quote from one of the sisters, and I think it is the single most important and foundational thing when it comes to a well-ordered home. Almost every single one of the women that contributed mentioned this in some way, shape, or form. It has been scientifically proven that children are happier when they have a predictable routine. Human beings actually have biological clocks which are heavily reliant on external cues to be set properly. So with a routine, a child begins to know when they should start feeling hungry, and they know when they should start feeling sleepy.
If you have a particular time when your child takes a nap, that's when they'll start exhibiting the symptoms of needing a nap, if you will. And so if you start imposing some order on their daily rhythms, it's actually going to help them as they get older, and they will be less cranky. Predictable routines have actually been found to reduce cortisol levels. Cortisol is that stress chemical or whatever in you, hormone. So when children know what to expect, they are literally less stressed.
I should mention that there's a difference between a routine and a schedule, but both are equally effective in this area. A routine is when you do something the same way in basically the same order over and over again. And a schedule is simply a routine that is time-sensitive.
I personally prefer a schedule. I always appreciated how the clock pushed me through my day. It still pushes me through my day. But especially during the years when I was up at night with little ones or whatever, there's days when you just don't feel like doing anything at all. And it's really good to have a schedule that keeps you on track. I found that helpful. Some find that rather stressful, but that's fine. You can stick with a predictable routine instead. That's just a personality difference, I'm sure.
However, I do think that the more you're trying to fit into a day, the more time-sensitive you need to be in order to make sure that nothing falls through the cracks. That's definitely true when you're homeschooling because you want to get around to everybody. And it's easy if you're not following a schedule to miss things.
All right. One sister said, "Have a routine, but allow it to flex for sickness, disciplinary needs, etc." Yeah, I've actually found that a schedule or routine is the best way to teach flexibility. Sometimes people object to a routine or a schedule because they feel like they want to be flexible. But I dare say that the absence of all routine is just disorder. It's not really flexibility at all. You need to know what you're flexing from. Your children need to know what you're flexing from in order to learn flexibility. Isabelle's smiling. She's my oldest daughter, so she knows all that.
Okay. Let's see here. How do I click to my next slide?
Hold on. All right. "Start your day with Jesus. The importance of this one simple point was reiterated in many different ways by many different sisters. This theme of a mother maintaining a good attitude and peace in her heart just came out as being of paramount importance, and I really think it is too. Prioritizing personal devotions is just key to having a well-ordered home because you have to start with a well-ordered heart. And this really isn't always easy, but it's worth striving for. One sister had this suggestion. She said, "Sit your toddler down and read your devotions out loud. This teaches reverence for God's word, and it trains the little ones in sitting still."
Another sister said, "Rise before dawn and cry for help." That is, get up before the rest of the family and spend time reading the word, praying, and planning the day. The children have said it was very important to them as they grew up to come out of their rooms in the morning and see mom in the word. They have duplicated that pattern.
Another sister said, "Be grounded in the Lord. Find your identity in Christ. Don't compare yourself to others. This will make you peaceful and confident in what you do, and the peace will trickle down to the children." Another one said, "Keep your heart and attitude pure." Of course, we need to be especially vigilant at certain times of the month. It's easy to get testy, but just say you're sorry when it's necessary.
And remember that a cheerful attitude just influences the whole household.
"Eat meals together as much as possible and at regularly scheduled times." This was also on the top of the list of things that were mentioned over and over again. And it doesn't really sound like a huge organizational tool, but it actually is.
If the family knows what time to gather, you don't need to chase everybody down. And as I've already mentioned, children know when to start feeling hungry, and therefore they're less cranky. And it just smooths things out if you can count on meals at a regular time. And also, if you eat them together, the dining room table becomes this amazing, valuable place of debriefing. It's where you can discuss plans, and experiences can be shared, and you can process disappointments and all kinds of things. So it becomes a really valuable galvanizing tool for the family unit.
One sister had the suggestion about mealtimes that you should sing as a family before meals. And I think that's a great suggestion. We haven't ever done that, actually. But it does bring out the point that gathering, not just for meals, but gathering for worship is important. And we've always just sung our songs at family devotions in the evening.
Okay. Structure, the stress, is the next point. What this means is not all parts of your day need to be highly structured. But if there are particular parts of your day that are really stressful, those are the times that are crying out for more structure.
So look around at your day, figure out what parts of the day cause the most stress, and then impose some order in those areas. Here's an example from my own experience. So the first half of our family was born in the space of six years and consisted of four boys that were all stacked on top of each other and two girls that were five years apart. So our household was high, high energy. And to make matters worse, it seemed that little frosts just lacked the sense to slow down when they got tired, and instead, they just started gearing up and moving faster.
And that made it so that evenings became a time of stress and conflict. And if Mike wasn't there, it was actually a nightmare. So we established a formal bedtime routine. First, everyone got changed and brushed their teeth. Then we read a chapter book together. And every single night, when the reading was done, we would say, "Bathroom in bed." And that meant that they were to go to the bathroom and get themselves in bed and then wait there for Mike and I to make the rounds to each bedside and sing their song and rub their back and say goodnight. And once they had had that little routine done, they were to stay there in their bed.
And this just became a very predictable and manageable routine. Everyone knew their part, and it brought peace to an otherwise chaotic time of the day. And it was also a very special time of the day for connecting one-on-one with each one of the children. I must say, it took some time, but it was worth it.
Okay. Next, start your school day right. I find that, well, whoopsie. Hold on. There we go.
I am a big proponent of having an orderly school schedule. I know not everybody homeschools, but I did and do. And I think that we need to remember that although school is different than homeschooling and homeschooling isn't going to try and duplicate a school, it is more flexible. It is a little bit more organic, if you will. I think our children still deserve to have us be structured and professional about teaching them.
And yeah, I think that starting our school day right can be a big part of it. It doesn't have to be kind of chaotic or haphazard so people don't know where to find their books or don't know when school is supposed to start or whatever. So the way we started is with group time. We start at a very specific time, 8 o'clock every morning, and we gather in the school room. And later, they might disperse to wherever they'd like. Some of my dyslexic children did school sitting in trees. But at the very least, we started school together in the school room. We do stretches. We memorize scripture. We go over the day's events, and we pray.
And then we start our individual school time, and I have a set time with each one of my students and whatever.
Yeah, other sisters rather mentioned similar things. One sister said, "Start the school day with Bible memory, a Bible story, or a chapter book. Read around the breakfast table, whatever." Okay. Use structured playtimes as a tool. Have specific toys for specific times.
There's a lot of good thoughts on this out there. Things like blanket time, where you have a blanket, and you put your toddler down with a little basket of toys or books, and teach your toddler that during blanket time, they have to stay on the blanket. It's like a little playpen that goes with you everywhere you go.
And it can work great if you invest a little bit of time in training your toddler to stay on that blanket during that set amount of time. This can buy you all kinds of time when you're schooling children, especially, because you can set them on their blanket. They know that's where they're going to be. They're using their specific little blanket time toys. And maybe you even set a timer. As soon as that timer goes off, they know they're free, and they run and they go get the snack that they was already prepared and set out for them or whatever. And you can focus with your first grader who's learning how to read or whatever.
Another thing that we used some back in the days when everybody seemed like they were piled up on top of each other and getting in each other's way in the afternoons maybe was to do what we called stations.
We would set up different activities at different parts of the house. And so the Legos might be over here, and coloring might be over there, and the train set over here. And we would set the timer for 15 or 20 minutes, and each child would just spend time playing by themselves at one of those stations, and then we would switch. And it just offered a little bit enough structure, enough variety to kind of ease through some different times of the day. We didn't use that all the time, but it could buy us a little bit of peace and order when needed.
Another idea in regards to toys is to rotate your toys, to just take some of the toys out of circulation for maybe six months or something. And when the Legos come back into circulation, it's suddenly like a brand new toy, and it will grab their interest a lot more. And certainly, fewer toys around means less mess. So anything that you can do to structure toys is kind of helpful. Then there's just not everything everywhere.
All right. One sister said this, "You don't want a messy house you can't invite guests into or one that makes you feel grouchy. But neither does it need to be perfect. Lower your standards in the areas that don't really matter."
So that's really good. Another sister said, "A little organizing and a good vacuum can do wonders in 30 minutes." And it's so true. Just getting things in order quickly can be very helpful. Several sisters mentioned things like cleaning up toys a game. "Let's see how much we can do before the timer goes off," and just everybody rushing around like you're chickens with your heads cut off and see what you can do. And it's true. The house may not be clean, but it is cleaner. And sometimes that is just what the doctor ordered.
Assign chores and don't switch too often. So I have done this for years. The backbone of our work is done during what we call 5 o'clock chore time. The fact that the chores are done at a set time helps with quality control, I find, because if you've assigned a child to sweep the floor and you haven't set a time for them to do that, it's really hard to go back and check and make sure that they did a good job because somebody might have walked through with muddy boots since they did it. And yeah, there's just not a whole bunch of accountability there. So having it all done at the same time is nice. We always like to do it at 5 o'clock because that's kind of the crazy time of the day anyway.
It's just before dad is coming home. The house is clean as we transition into supper time and evening routine and whatever.
Let's see here. Oh yeah, also not switching them up too frequently, especially for those 5 o'clock chores. We would still keep them for six months or so because that allows for mastery and ownership. And if so-and-so is assigned to sorting the laundry or sweeping the floor, they get good at it, and they really own it.
There's a lot of different ways to assign chores. There's chore charts. One sister said, "Chore charts help. If they want free time, ask, 'Have you done your chart?'" It frees up your mind, the mom's mind, when you don't need to remember what each child was supposed to do. So you're not just kind of randomly giving assignments on any given day, but you know what they're supposed to do.
And we've used a lot of different creative ways to assign jobs over the years. For other jobs that are rotating on a shorter cycle, like our cleanups, we have a chore wheel. There's maybe five jobs involved in doing the kitchen cleanup in the evening. And so that changes weekly, and we just turn the chart to show who's supposed to do it, the dishwashing or the table or whatever, each week.
Yeah, there's lots of ideas out there. I think you can get on Pinterest and get all kinds of really cute ideas for assigning chores.
One key, though, to chores also is to have children start helping before they're helpful. One of our 5 o'clock chores that was just a go-to for years and years and years, and it was always filled by the youngest member of the family, was empty the little trash cans. So they would go around the house, get the little trash cans, dump them into the bigger trash can. And so they're helping.
Okay.
Back to toys here. Get children into the habit of picking up their toys and keeping the house reasonably tidy before going to bed. Again, this may be a personality thing. This was a sister that said that specifically, but I know I do this every single night. Whether I'm tired or not, I leave the house neat. And that's because I'm a morning person. And when I wake up in the morning, if I see a really messy house that needs to be neatened, it's really hard for me to take the energy of my morning, because that's when I feel energized, and put it into my devotional life, because what I really want to do is neaten up the living room.
So I do that at night when I'm tired. And then when I wake up, I feel free to go do the things that really do matter to me, which is spending time with the Lord. I also think that waking up to a big mess can be awfully depressing, especially on Monday morning. Monday mornings are always hard. We always call them extra grace required days.
And if you wake up to a mess, you can be feeling overwhelmed before you even got to the bathroom. And that's not good. So I think that it's a very good practice to just leave the house neat, and to have the children help with that is great.
One sister, I guess I don't have it here, said that oftentimes the dad would help with that process and would engage the children in it and try and make it fun and fast and all the rest of it. So that's great.
Okay. Sort laundry into smaller baskets and let each child fold and put away their own clothes. This was something from our house. A sister taught me this years ago. And at the time, what I was doing was maybe like a lot of you do. I was sorting and folding and putting away everybody's clothes so that their drawers would be neat. But I only had a few children, and I quickly saw that, you know what, I'm not going to be able to keep this up if I keep having children. And so one of our 5 o'clock chores is you dump all of the laundry on the couch, and one of the people is assigned to sorting that laundry into each person's little basket.
And it is true. I had to lower my standards because some people don't fold as well as others. But that's okay. It's duplicatable, and I could handle it for the next 30 years of my life.
KISS. This is an acronym dating back to my childhood. It means keep it simple, stupid. We don't usually allow the word stupid in our home, but I kind of like this acronym. Keep it simple, stupid is just like what I say to myself sometimes when I start getting overly visionary about the basics.
There's a time for elaborate plans and special events and things like that. But as a general rule, keeping life simple means keeping it more sustainable and more peaceful. And many sisters touched on this kind of a thing. Here's one quote she said, "Decide what you can handle and leave the rest, even if everyone else is doing it."
Another one, be willing to think differently than just how your mother did things. Change things up so that it works best for you. Yes. And this goes for different seasons in your own life too. Just because something was working two years ago doesn't mean that it's working the best now. Be able to tweak and adjust things as you go. This is really the key to having a peaceful, well-ordered home.
Another sister said, "When the children are little, make your garden a few raised beds. You still get the joy of growing things, but without the huge responsibility of a big garden." Okay. In the long run, routines and good habits multiply time and free up brain space.
This is another theme that was repeated often in different ways. Anything that limits the number of decisions that have to be made in the moment will free up your brain space and will probably wind up making you a more peaceful mom. Because when you're having to make a whole bunch of decisions on the fly, it can just be stressful. It taxes you, and it's harder to be all there for your children, for your relationships. And so whenever you can have routines or good habits that have already been put into place, it just frees up your brain, and that is valuable.
Yeah. And establishing good habits in your children too is really key. Things like saying thank you and please. I know we're all working to do that, but it really does make a difference. Just the other day, we were in the library, and my son said thank you, and the librarian made this huge big deal about it.
So just get your children in the habit of saying things like that. Get them in the habit of brushing their teeth and washing their hands before they come to the table. And those things just make it run smoothly in your house.
Tell people how to help.
This one slide has a whole bunch of related points. One sister said, "On busy days, it is frustrating for children if they don't have a clear picture of what needs to be done. They keep hoping for a break, but they are continually asked to do something else with no end in sight. Instead, make a list and allow the children to cross off the completed items. They are free when the list is done." That is a very good suggestion. There's something very satisfying about marking things off a to-do list.
Yeah. Sometimes it's just really key to have a list and let people know what you expect. And this is for unusual days, like days when you're getting ready for company or something like that. They may not know what all is needed to be done. It's not a normal school day or whatever. So make a list, maybe on the whiteboard in the schoolroom or whatever, and either assign it or let them see what's needed to be done. Because sometimes we're rushing around the house, and our dear family sees us and can tell that we're stressed out, and they want to help. But unfortunately, because they don't really know what needs to be done, they might just think that with all this stress and flurry, the safest, most efficient thing for me to do is to just run away and hide.
And so suddenly everybody withdraws, and you're the only crazy woman running around the house trying to get everything done, and you wonder what happened, right? Well, you just haven't told them how to help you. So do that. And another sister had a good point about lists. She said, "Making a to-do list doesn't mean you must get everything on it done. It's only putting on paper what needs to be done so your brain does not have to carry it all." And that's so true. You don't have to get stressed out about it. Just writing it down doesn't mean that you have to do it. It just takes it out of your brain.
Now, this brings us to the idea of delegating. And delegating is such a valuable skill. You need to receive from above and pass on down below. You're a link in a chain. And if you understand your place of authority in your home, you can delegate much better without feeling threatened by delegating things. Sometimes moms feel like if they ask their older children to do things for the younger ones, they'll somehow lose their place or whatever. But again, having that healthy sense of authority means you can do that without feeling personally threatened, but you also can do it without abdicating your authority. You're not giving this child full authority. You're just delegating to them. Anyway, the goal is to duplicate yourself.
The goal is to actually work yourself out of a job, really, is what you're trying to do. But you have to be careful not to abuse this because it's certainly not a way to get out of work. You also need to be very willing to be working shoulder to shoulder with your children.
And another point along this line is that I think it's really important for us to recognize that if you assign a task without giving explicit instructions on how to do it, then you have effectively given the children complete freedom to do it their way.
So if they wind up doing it in a way that you didn't expect, appreciate their effort. And if it's appropriate and you sense a teachable spirit, maybe you can offer advice on how to do it better or more easily the next time. But leave room for multiple ways for a task to be accomplished. And that will allow your child's heart to remain open to your suggestions. And if there is only one way that something should be done, then by all means, teach them how that way is before you expect them to do it.
And that's common sense. Okay. Have a set menu and keep meals simple.
So this relates back to a lot that's already been said. A set menu frees up your brain space. Simple meals are easier to delegate. One sister said, "Get children to help in the kitchen at a young age. A 12-year-old can learn to put a meal on the table with only a little help from mom."
I've used different menus at different stages of life. The type we preferred would repeat every two weeks and would incorporate leftovers for the next day's meal. For example, the night after we would have taco soup, we might make taco bake and just incorporate the leftovers.
Some people just have set meals for certain days of the week. One sister said that their family always has beans and tortillas on Tuesdays, and they always have popcorn and egg sandwiches on Sundays. And yeah, I had a homeschooling friend who served peanut butter and jelly sandwiches for lunch every single day.
So it helps. It keeps things simple. Another good bit of advice for food prep is make twice as much food for the evening meal, then put half in the freezer for a meal next week. Same thing with baking. Always try to make enough of the evening meal so that there are leftovers for lunch the next day. All good advice. Okay. Maximize fragments of time. So this is a no-brainer, basically.
We're all given the same amount of time. It's an absolute 100% non-renewable resource. So use it wisely. And don't wait for these big blocks of time, like, "Oh, I haven't had time to clean up the kitchen." Well, while you're waiting for something to boil or something in the microwave, see if you can get all the dishes in the dish drainer put away. Just redeem those little tiny fragments of time the best you can.
Learn to use time in little broken pieces.
And also recognize that not all time investments yield equal benefits. I have found that five minutes can seem like very different amounts of time depending on what you're doing with them. If you spend five minutes neatening the house, everything can seem less overwhelming. It's like a breath of fresh air. But if you spend that exact same five minutes scrolling on your phone, you'll actually look up after five minutes, and you'll feel more restless and further behind. I'm not saying that you should never scroll on your phone, but if you've only got five minutes, think about how you should invest that five minutes. And yeah, if you're prone to losing hours of time just watching somebody in Japan fold their clothes in really cool ways, then you need to get some help because that is not a good investment of your time.
All right. This one's an old lady saying, "Oh, oh dear. What do I do?" Hold on.
Okay. A stitch in time saves nine or an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
Yeah. Those are old standbys, but it's amazing how practical that is. For example, if there is a piece of double chocolate muffin that dropped to the floor, it would be really, really smart for you to take the time to pick it up before it gets stepped on and then spread across the floor and ground into the carpet.
So there you have it. Don't be afraid to establish rules. So God makes rules. And in the Garden of Eden, He started. He said, "Eat this, but don't eat that." Rules lead to order, and order leads to peace. We've all heard the examples of how stressful it can be, and some of us have experienced it, driving in countries where there are no clearly defined traffic rules or they are not enforced. Without rules, things just become really stressful. So there's a whole bunch of really common-sense rules that can yield huge dividends. Simple things like when you come in the house and you take off your coat, hang it on the hook.
Just make that a rule in your home, and you will find that your entryway is a lot neater all the time, and you don't have to do anything about it. Put trash in the trash can. I don't know. That seems so basic to me, but I have been to houses where the trash is all over the floor.
And why? Just train your children to put all the trash in the trash can, and it helps.
No running in the house, especially when children are young. Food is kept in the kitchen, and it's kept or in the dining room. You don't eat in the living room or whatever. Start tight. Start restrictive, if you will, with your rules, and then widen as there's maturity and growth. Think of it as a funnel.
This idea came from a book I read years ago, and I find it so practical because sometimes we tend to let our little children, like our toddlers, do things because they can't—well, they can't do any harm, so I let them take my phone and play with it or whatever. But then as soon as they can do something with the phone, you start teaching them not to grab your phone, right? And so now you've started wide, and you're trying to restrict. And you're going to get some pushback from your children because they're like, "Well, what happened?
I was trained to grab for the phone, and now you're telling me not to." So start restricted and get wider. It just works better. And I'm sure there's lots and lots of examples for that, but yeah. For example, start children out that they're not allowed to just open the refrigerator anytime they want.
Now, as they get older, you're going to want them to even make a meal, right? So you're going to widen as they get older. But when they're younger, they're not allowed to help themselves to snacks. You set out the snack or whatever.
Okay.
Yeah. I should say too that sometimes people shy away from rules because it seems so Old Testament, if you will. But I want to point out that the New Testament has a lot to say about rules. And it even talks about how being under the law is a schoolmaster to bring us to Christ. And remember, our children, before they're born again, they're living in the Old Testament, as it were. They need a schoolmaster to bring them to Christ. They need rules in their life to make them realize that they have an Adamic nature, a sin nature that needs to be dealt with. They really won't come up against their own rebellious, selfish heart if there's no rules for them to come up against.
So provide them with some law in their lives.
Help children answer the question, "How can I be me and still please you?" This is a phrase that I borrowed from a book. I found it just recently, and it just so resonated with me. Your children want to please you, but they also want to explore and experiment, right? They are also made in the image of God. They want to create and divide and call. And so we need to give them opportunities to do that in a way that is pleasing. When they're toddlers, they might reach out and grab for your glasses. And so you just say, "No, no. Those are for mommy." Or they grab for the cat, and you say, "Gentle. Do it gently."
You're teaching them how to explore their world, but to do it in a way that is pleasing to you. And this comes right back up around when they're teenagers. They start going through that same stage where they're actually, just like toddlers, recognizing that you and them are not the same thing and that their standards and your standards could be different and that there are things that they're going to need to decide that they believe for themselves. And so you would do your teens a service if you were actively in the process of teaching them how they can be them, how they can be autonomous and individualistic, how they can like different things than you like and do different things than you do, and yet they can still please you and live in your household and be a part of the family in a way that is pleasing to everyone.
So yeah. And this comes down to a thought I had too that children are both teachable and they are creative. And we need to remember that. Sometimes we'll be in Walmart or something, and you'll see a poor mom who seems to have never realized that her children are teachable, and they're just all over the place, and she just rolls her eyes as if there's nothing she can do about it. That's one ditch. Children are teachable. You can show them what is acceptable behavior in Walmart, for example.
But the other side is that children are creative because they're made in God's image. And you can get so restrictive that children feel really, really cramped and squelched. And so yeah, there's the balance somewhere in between. Don't be surprised when children test the lines. Again, toddlers and teens, it goes for both for sure.
I have found that my children have been like little scientists. They make a hypothesis, and then they want to test that. They put it through this little test cycle to see if it's actually a good theory. The classic would be the baby sitting in a high chair, and they take their food and they throw it off the tray.
You can get exasperated. You can just kind of smile and go, "Oh, they're learning about gravity." And of course, they are, and that's fine. But you don't need to tolerate that. You just, with authority, but no anger, you just say, "No, no. We're going to keep the food on the tray." And of course, they're going to do it again because now they've got a hypothesis. They think they're supposed to keep the food on the tray, but they're really not sure exactly what you said, and so they're going to throw it off again. And again, you're just going to say, "No, no. We're going to keep the food on the tray and put it back."
So they're starting to get a theory going here about what's acceptable behavior when they're sitting in their high chair. And just keep the response the same and unemotional, and yeah, keep training them. Now, this is easier said than done. For some children, "No, no. Keep the food on the tray" is all it's going to take. For others, they're going to test this theory in a myriad of ways. They're going to think, "Well, is this true on Tuesdays only, or is it true on Wednesdays as well? Or is this true when mom is watching, or is it true all the time?" And so I almost think that the more intelligent and the more analytical thinker that you have, the more varieties and test cycles that your child is going to put this through.
So it can be a little exasperating at times, but maybe you can just try and think of it as your privilege to be the parent of a very intelligent child. I don't know.
Okay. Remember, you are training your children's palate. This definitely goes for food, but really, there's extensions to all kinds of things. Yeah. In food preferences, a baby eagerly eats mashed-up bananas or pureed peaches, and that's great. But if you want to train their palate to like vegetables, you need to also be giving them the mashed-up peas and green beans.
And it really does set their palate. Same thing with salt. Keep your foods bland to start with. You're training their palate for what they're going to look for and think of as good food in the future. So limiting the salt and limiting the sugar will help set their palate.
If a child is screaming strapped into their car seat, it certainly is easier to just hand them a lollipop or something like that. It will keep them quiet, but it's also going to train them to look for sweets when they're bored or frustrated or whatever. And so you're really setting lifelong patterns. And this could apply to so many different things, but certainly to food. Water versus sweet drinks. I mean, just give your children water. All of my children drink water, with one exception.
So yeah, just set their palate. Train your children to take the initiative. Catch them doing things that are right and praise them for it. Be especially grateful when your children don't wait to do something that was assigned to them.
Recognize that they are doing something exemplary when they notice the need, and they take it upon themselves to do it. Yeah. You have to kind of catch yourself sometimes because it's easy to think, "Oh, I didn't tell you to do that," or whatever.
But yeah, catching them taking the initiative, I think, is really, really good because it helps them to discover the sheer joy of filling needs. And it sets them up for service in the kingdom, I think. The Bible says that the house of Stephanus addicted themselves to the ministry of the saints. I think that's in 1 Corinthians 16. So introduce your children to this habit, this addiction from an early age, and encourage them to see needs and to serve.
Don't expect your children to have higher standards than you do. This may seem obvious, but maybe you're a young mom, or maybe you don't even have any children yet, and you look around your house. If it's a mess right now, don't expect it to be any cleaner when you have a bunch of children.
Yeah. Don't expect them to duplicate you at a higher level. It's been said that children will duplicate their parents minus 10%. I don't know if that's scientifically true or not, but for sure, your standards need to be high enough so that if your children discount them some, it's still going to be acceptable in your house.
And you just need to be prepared to really lead by example. Set a high standard and then let them miss it a little bit, and it'll still be okay. Okay. Stop means stop. This is a line from our home. I've just found that it's really helpful to remind children that when somebody says stop, even if they're laughing and smiling, which people often do when they're stressed, it still means stop.
I think we started this because my husband told a story about how his uncle didn't know when to stop. He was trying to just be a good uncle, I guess, and he would tickle his nephews. And they would say, laughing and smiling, "Stop, stop."
And he would keep going because they were laughing and smiling. But in the end, they felt violated. And so stop needs to mean stop. And if your child is saying stop and doesn't mean stop, then you need to correct them as well.
Take complaining seriously because God does. There are several Old Testament examples of God's swift and severe judgment for grumbling, like the Israelites with the food thing in the wilderness and the 10 spies when they started to grumble about the promised land. I mean, there are just drastic measures that God took to discipline for complaining. And in the New Testament, we see that there's a real emphasis on being content.
And those are opposites. You can't complain and be content at the same time. So in our home, expressing disappointment or displeasure or a particular preference is fine. That's considered communicating. But repeating that once the message has been delivered gets into complaining. And so we want to make sure we—or we have always tried to limit that amount of communication.
All right. Have clear lines of authority at home. Like that centurion that Jesus commended for his faith, we need to know our place in God's hierarchy. We're under our husband's authority, and our children are under our authority. And then the children also need to know at any given time who's in charge. In our home, it was always just the oldest person who was present that was in charge.
So if Mike and I were not there, then the oldest sibling at home was in charge. But that also goes for even if I'm home, but maybe I'm on the phone or distracted with something important. There's always that default that the oldest person there is in charge and what they say goes, and that it's delegated authority. We often have said that God delegated his authority to Papa and Papa has given me that authority, and I am giving that authority to your older siblings, so obey them as part of that lineup.
Okay. Go into public as ambassadors for Christ. Yeah. I think this—I want to touch on appearance a little bit. And when we go into public, especially if we're a large family. But yeah, if we're dressed conservatively, I mean, I figure this thing on my head and my long dress are like a big neon sign saying, "I'm a Christian, and I take it really seriously." And so as such, I am really—everything I do and my children do is being an ambassador for Christ. And remember, the world has a pretty bad picture of A, Christians, and B, big families or children in general.
They don't really see them as a blessing. And so I don't want to do anything in public that is going to give them more fuel for that fire or give them reasons to believe that their prejudices are true.
So the balance here, though, is that neither do I want going into town that I'm on a performance or something that we're trying to be something we're not. But we always made sure that there were no big rips in our children's clothes, that their hair was combed and we taught them to know how to just conduct themselves in public. Like we said before, say thank you and please and look somebody in the eye and answer their question and shake their hand and basics.
And I always used to remind my children, especially when I had to go shopping with six of them, that before we would go into the store, we would even pray. And I would remind them that we are representing God here. And so let's go into this store remembering that.
Okay. And my last slide, but a very important one. Remember to enjoy the children and smile often. That's how one sister put it. And I couldn't agree more. Give your husband and your children the gift of your joy and delight. Tell them you love being their mom and you love being his wife. One sister said, "Learn and change with your children. Enjoy their company." And it really brings us full circle, this slide does, because in Titus 2, it has lots of specific instructions for us women. We're supposed to be discreet, chased.
We're supposed to be keepers at home, it says in that passage, and that's kind of mostly what we've talked about here.
But another thing it says in that passage is that we are to—that the older women are to teach the younger women to love their husbands and to love their children. And the love it's talking about there, some of you are familiar with the fact that there's different Greek words for love.
And it's not talking about agape love, which we think of as the Christian love, Jesus's kind of love, that self-sacrificing, unselfish love. It's actually talking about philio love. It's talking about those warm, fuzzy, affectionate feelings. That's the kind of love that I'm supposed to teach you younger ones to have. And I have often wondered, "Okay, Lord, how am I supposed to teach that?"
And I guess I don't know really still. But I do think it's true that we women, even when we're stressed and overworked, most of the time, unless something has gone really wrong, we have a very normal maternal instinct that comes out as agape love.
We will continue to do the right thing to cook and clean for our children, to throw ourselves in front of the oncoming train, to save our children. And we can do that kind of with our emotions a little bit steeled, if you will. We can set our face like a flint, as it were, and just get the job done. And that can be agape love.
But the regular grind of life, just the day-to-day stresses and everything that needs to be done can sometimes make it so that our hearts are just not as open and affectionate as they used to be. And this is what I'm supposed to exhort you not to let go of. Stay vulnerable, especially as your children get older.
Sometimes teenagers can just take your heart and stamp all over it. And they don't mean to, I trust, but they do. And it's easy to just be like, "Well, I did what I could." Stay open, stay vulnerable, and keep your warm, fuzzy feelings going towards your husband and towards your children. So as we wind down here, I just want to reiterate that the power of a well-ordered home is not in its perfection. I hope that came across. It's not about being an organized person and just having that particular personality.
It's not about having a particular cultural background, although some cultural backgrounds do help because they're more organized. But really, having a well-ordered home is about making housekeeping your focus and giving it your all, doing it well to the best of your ability.
And it's also about allowing God to use you in two very distinct and contradictory ways. You need to allow God to use you in your strengths. You need to be able to say, "Okay, this is something I'm good at. And so I'm going to do it to the best of my ability to benefit my family, to benefit my community." Maybe all you can do is make cookies. Well, then make cookies for everybody you know.
But it's also being willing to be used in your area of weakness because if you're only willing to be used where you're strong, then you're really limiting God.
Yeah. I have found this to be the story of my life. The last 30-plus years is being used in my area of weakness, but God has blessed it. And I'm very glad that he has made because I was willing to do the things that I was no good at and I'm still no good at, like sewing. My girls are all now much better seamstresses than I am. And thank God they do all the sewing around here now. But when they were younger, I was willing to sew, even though I really was bad at it, and I still am.
So yeah, I want to make one other point. Once publicly, it was at KFW, I shared that looking back on my years as a wife and mother, that I had no regrets. I said that. And I just want to clarify and tie it into what we've said here because that makes it sound like I never made any mistakes. And when you lift up a standard, like going through all of these points about a well-ordered home, it's easy for you that are listening to say, "Oh, well, Marielle, she just probably never made any mistakes." Well, of course, that's not true. I made huge mistakes. And there are many, many things that I look back on that I wish I could do differently and could have done differently and that I would do differently if I knew then what I know now.
But when I say that I have no regrets, what I mean is given what I did know and given the resources that I did have, I did the absolute best that I could. I gave it all I had. And that's the sense in which I really feel like each one of us can look back and have no regrets because it's not about doing the best. It's about doing your best. And that, I think, is key to having a well-ordered home and for it being powerful in your life and in the life of your children. So a well-ordered home takes effort and intentionality. And my desire is simply to make it look possible, to make it look worth it, and to encourage you to do your best.
God will give the grace, and he'll do that because it's his name on the line. Okay. So that's all I have. Back to you, Doreen.
Well, thank you so much. That was a lot of very valuable content.
I made several lists for myself here. And I have to say that you've stretched me with your slides that you shared there. I think that I have plenty of room to grow, wow. Joe and I are expecting our ninth child here in just a few weeks, and we're in the thick of homeschooling as well. I don't consider myself to be a super organized person. I love people, and I love to socialize.
But I have found that homeschooling has forced me to put some things in place that I probably wouldn't have otherwise. And I have just been so blessed by your talk.
I'm not sure what to say stood out to me the most. It definitely resonated with me what you shared, Marielle, about that use of those five minutes, whether you quickly get some small job done, whether it's spending a little time with your child that you know really needs it in comparison to scrolling on social media.
That resonates so much with me. And I've just found that in my stage of life, that little to no social media works the best for me because I can just fritter away so much valuable time. So I really appreciated that point.
And yeah, just thinking about questions that I had, one thing that I wondered about, and this probably could vary in our different circumstances of where we live and where we live and work. But I was curious, Marielle, how you recommend to handle things like maybe unexpected phone calls that can come or even in the structure of your day, unexpected people dropping in.
And with a lot of small children and homeschool and things like that, how you would tend to handle that. Is it good to expect everyone to continue with their assignments, or do you kind of have the belief that you put that person first that's at your door? Do you have any practical tips about those kinds of things happening?
Those are good questions. Yeah. I think that having the system, again, having the routine, having the schedule does help. And one thing about my school day structure is that each one of my children has a specific time of the day, usually 20 to 40 minutes depending on the age of the child and their needs, that is their time. And so the rest of the time, they're doing their work individually, but they're circling the things that they need to ask mom or maybe when they're younger, we start off the day by going over the new stuff, and then they do the we-remember sections on their own or whatever. So let's say that I was interrupted by a phone call during one of those times where I'm sitting side by side with my child and giving them my undivided focus.
If it's not an absolutely necessary phone call, I don't take it. But if it isn't a necessary phone call, I might turn to the child and say, "I'm so sorry. I need to take this call, but you and I will finish our time together during snack time." And they know that there's an established snack time, and they know that there'll be time available for them or whatever. So they just go on to what they can do by themselves, and they come back to me when I'm available.
If there's somebody at the door, I mean, of course, we go to the door. If it's something quick, I can just go ahead and do whatever needs to be done and run back. But if there's all of a sudden this really big need standing at the door, yeah, I can say, "I'm so sorry, children, but today, all of your times will be shifted back several hours or whatever while I meet this need that's standing at the door." But because our house has been characterized by each one knowing that they're going to get their time, they know that I'm going to get back to it even if it's not right now. And yes, I mean, some of your children, especially depending on their age, won't be able to continue on when there's an emergency at the door and mom is distracted.
And so that's fine. They'll just have to do their school some other time. But the older ones can keep going, absolutely. And there's been many a time when I've been involved in something, and all of my older children are just upstairs somewhere doing their school, and it looks like there's nobody at home, but they're all just busily working away. So that's the ideal. But obviously, it depends on the age of your children.
Thank you.
Feel free, ladies, to unmute yourself and share your questions and comments here.
I have a question here in the chat. There was someone that was really enjoying the talk, but she had to get off. So she submitted a question here. And so she comes from a family that does a lot of farming.
And she says, "I'm in a farming family, and we have a pretty clean and orderly family during the winter months, but in an extremely hard struggle from spring to fall when we just have so many demands. If we focus on the home, the farm falls behind and vice versa."
She has another question as well, but I'll kind of leave that one with you. Do you have any suggestions or tips for her on how she can maintain that well-ordered home in that busy farming season? Yeah. Well, I mean, it's just a matter of what is your standard for a well-ordered home.
Your house doesn't have to look like a showplace from spring to fall. It just needs to be a place where when your family comes in from the field, they feel like there's peace and there's going to be what they need. There's going to be a meal on the table at a set time when they expect it.
Whatever order looks like for your home, it doesn't have to look like the Joneses, especially during that time. So yeah, I think a well-ordered home is really customizable. It doesn't have to mean that everything is perfectly in order all the time as far as neat and tidy. It just needs to be what works for your family and gives them a sense of peace and reliability.
And that's different for every family and different for different seasons of life.
Another thing that I think too is you had a point about prioritizing and having good time management as well. And of course, I don't know this sister and what her family life is like, but there's things that maybe that could not happen during that time. Maybe there's a bunch of baked goods that happens or baking bread and all these sorts of things that take up a lot of time that maybe doesn't need to happen as much during the busy season. And something that I'm learning right now is I can actually get my little children to help me with things. And sometimes it takes longer or it's more messy.
But I'm getting my toddler and my four-year-old in the kitchen, and they're helping me chop things and clean things and just doing little things. And I know that if I keep that up with them, they'll grow and they'll be even more helpful. So I'm a little bit more work than I'm putting in right now with my children, but I know in the long run that it will pay off and they'll be used to working.
So that's maybe another suggestion as well. And then she has another point here.
She says, "I would really appreciate suggestions for how to stay motivated and accountable as a homemaker. Many times I have wished that I could have a personal coach. Does anyone know of inexpensive methods for helping individuals to understand what to do in their personal struggles? So many times I read and hear tips and suggestions that are great. They don't really work for the homeschooling, homesteading, homemaker with lots of children and an elderly relative to care for. Thank you so much. God bless."
Yeah. Well, those are good questions. And harkening back to the first point, I do want to say, Christina, that your comments are good, and they prompted me to think of another thought. And that is, if I had a season from spring to fall that was going to be just really hectic, I think what I would do is spend the month or so just prior to the beginning of that season, maybe that's April or whatever. I don't know what it is for this farming family. And I would kind of start gearing up the family like, "Okay, we're almost there to the busy season, and here's what we're going to do. For this season, you're going to have this job.
You're going to have this one. You're going to have that one." And you start training a month before on what that's going to be. And they're going to keep that job until everybody goes, "Phew," in the fall, right? And so you're actually preparing everybody to be this team, like the 2026 team. This is what the layout is. This is the part we're each playing. And yeah, get them excited about it.
Yeah. And as far as I can't remember exactly what she was looking for, inexpensive life coaching, it sounds like, I guess.
I don't know. A good friend, an older sister. My experience with older sisters has been that they're full of advice, but oftentimes, they're not going to volunteer their opinion or their help. Some will, but most need to be drawn out. So if you have an older sister at church that's really quiet, that you think might be able to help you but has never said boo, go to her and draw her out. Ask her if she would be a listening ear for you. Ask her. Maybe don't put her on the spot and say, "Hey, can you solve all my problems?" But rather, "Can you listen to me as I talk about the things that are bringing me challenges?"
And then maybe speak into it if anything comes to your mind or whatever. I think that that might be a good resource.
There's another question in the chat box here, Marielle. What would you say to someone who isn't married but can start in their own life now to prepare for homemaking for a well-ordered home?
Yeah. Well, I think the point about not expecting your children to have higher standards than you do would be appropriate. Start just scaled down to a one-person level, developing habits and routines that you feel like you would want duplicated times, however many children you're going to have. That's a good place to start. And get things in order.
We didn't talk as overtly about it, but the whole idea of having a handle on the authority structures in your life, making sure that you're under the authorities that are in your life is key.
So you can start that anytime.
I have another comment here, and it's actually going back to the first. It's in response to the first question that we had come in. She says, "I recently saw that someone asked her husband what was most important to him. He said he wants a clean house, and he can help her get a meal on." I thought it was a good idea to ask those in your house what's most important to them.
Oh, amen.
That's very good.
I have a comment. Something that has really helped my husband and I—I'm a grandma now—but when we had children, is remember three things. One thing that's really important to him, one thing that's really important to me, and one thing that's really important to both of us. My thing was I hated clutter, so we kept the house kind of clutter-free as much as possible. He loved a supper together. It didn't matter what it was, but he wanted a supper together at 5:30, I mean, at a set time. And then the evenings, we liked together time. So we would always do something as a family with all the children too. And that had really helped us to focus on the three big things.
That's really good. I like that. One thing that's important to him, one thing that's important to me, and one thing that's important to both of us. Excellent.
Thank you for that, Nancy.
I have a question, Marielle. I enjoyed that all immensely. I feel like I have, like Doreen said, many lists. Anyway, so my question is in relation to hobbies. Through the years, have you maintained hobbies? Is that something you felt like is important? I feel like there can be a lot of voices out there.
Just worry yourself and your children, or don't worry yourself and your children. You have an identity, and it shouldn't be them. And anyway, so yeah, I'm just curious what you would have to say about that.
I don't know. I haven't had a whole bunch of hobbies. But on the other hand, I think there's a lot to be said for being a living sacrifice. We are not to just die for our children. We need to keep giving. And if a hobby is what helps you keep going, then I don't see anything wrong with it.
Yeah. I personally haven't had a whole bunch of hobbies. I do sometimes enjoy just doing a puzzle, and it shuts my brain off of all the important things. And I sometimes almost feel like I'm wasting time, but I've gotten to the place where it's like, well, I mean, I guess every now and again, doing a little bit of a puzzle or when my children were young, I had a friend who needed some extra income, and my husband very kindly paid her to come once a week to watch the children. And I went and learned how to do some rug hooking. And that's about as close to a hobby as I ever got. But it was very, very nice, very renewing at the time.
And yeah, I don't know. I don't think there's anything wrong with hobbies if the goal is that it is making you better able to embrace fully the ministry and calling that God has on your life, not distracting you from it completely.
Thank you. I appreciate that. I know my mom always said, and I've actually thought of this so many times over the years. She would say, "A change is as good as a break or a rest." And I found that to be true so often.
Just to get out of the house, take the children even, or just do something else has been helpful. And sometimes you feel like you kind of lose your identity or not, or you kind of lose your looking at all this so closely. And then I'll get out and be like, "Oh, the rest of the world is out here functioning normally." And I always find it encouraging to think about something else for a little while.
That's good.
Thank you, Marielle. I am a homeschool mom of eight, so I made a lot of lists as well, and it was just what I needed. And I do have one question for you. You made the statement about the clear lines of authority in the home. And if I'm on the phone, I give that authority to, say, my oldest child in the home. And if the children don't want to listen to their older siblings, is it mirroring my lack of looking up to authority in my life, or have I not given those clear lines of what I am expecting of them to someone in authority? Or I was just curious what you have to speak into that and maybe what tips there yeah, what tips you have in that area.
Yeah, that's a good question. I don't think that it necessarily means that you're not being obedient to your authorities. It might mean that you just haven't made that very clear to your children that that's what you expect. Yeah, it's the kind of thing that has to be repeated over and over and rehearsed, that when I'm out of commission for whatever reason, the oldest person is an authority. You need to make that very clear, that expectation to them.
And you also have to remember that they will test the lines, right? So they're going to send that hypothesis through the test cycle. And the first time that you're on the phone call and Johnny is in charge, they're going to see if there's any consequences if they don't obey Johnny. So you need to make sure that when you get off the phone, you go to Johnny and you say, "So did Sally obey you?"
And if Sally didn't obey you, you need to deal with it just like you would deal with it if Sally didn't obey Johnny. Deal with it the same way as if Sally didn't obey you because you have fully delegated your authority to that child, and the consequences need to be the same.
I don't know if that helps or not, but. Yes, thank you. That gives me a lot of food for thought and is something I need to think through that. And I think we have some work to do there.
Amen. Bless you as you implement.
Thank you so much, Marielle. I really enjoyed your talk. And I am going to have to go back and listen to it again because there's just so much richness there. I do have a question. And as you talked about your days and having them scheduled so that you had a slot for every child, I really like that. However, it looks big to me. And here's why, and it's a question for you. And that is, so my younger and maybe the struggling ones are the ones that it feels more urgent that I help them. And so then I can tend to let my older ones like right now, I have some tests that aren't scored for my older ones just because I have prioritized doing other things with the ones that are more urgent.
And I wrestle within myself as to where is the line of, "Okay, this is all that we're going to be able to get done today with this younger child because I do need to prioritize time for other things." That goes into schedule too, the whole scheduling topic, because I can come to 3 o'clock and, "Well, we didn't get our goals done for today. We didn't get everything done that they were supposed to be done, so let's just push on a little harder and longer." Well, then that just, yeah, it can create a downward spiral. And so where is the balance of just letting some of the academics go and you just get done what you get done?
You have the time God gave you to do it. And where is the time where you say, "You know what? We just really need to work harder"? I don't know if that makes sense. It's just as I think about trying to implement something like that, I like it, but yet at the same time, it just looks really big to me to how do you get all of that in?
Yeah. Well, there's no easy answers there. I do think it comes back to the thought that the more you're trying to fit in, the more helpful it is to have it be a schedule and be time-sensitive. For example, you might have some of your older children that, like you said, don't need nearly as much time as your younger children or your more needy children do. And so that's fine, but I think you would do well to say, "Okay, so your time slot is only going to be 15 minutes long, but I'm going to give you my full undivided attention during those 15 minutes." That honors them and their time, and it can just help smooth out for a lot of things in the long run.
But as far as let me think here.
Yeah. When it comes to academics and fitting things in, different curriculums are different. We use a curriculum that has consumable books. There's 10 of them to complete in a year. And the children know that they can go faster. They can go slow, and they have a certain amount that they need to complete of their schoolwork today.
And they have a certain amount of schoolwork that needs to be completed before they can consider themselves done. Usually, we even make a big deal of being halfway through the school year. That's at the end of December every year. We're halfway through the school year. And so I help them assess as we're going into December 1st how close they are to being halfway done with their books. And then they can set their own personal goals on, "Well, you know what? I'm really falling behind in this subject, so I'm going to work on Saturdays on that subject or whatever." And then the other thing is that some children really struggle.
I have no problem. I know some homeschooling moms might. But with working with children at grade levels that are way below their age, because I'm more interested in mastery than I am in just exposure, I want them to actually understand the information. I have one dyslexic student that is working through the CLE reading curriculum, but we are going very slow. And I don't expect her to do the whole thing this year. We're in like 703 or something like that at this point. And I've told her, "You don't have to be done.
We're just going to work through it slowly." So you can make those decisions. The important thing is to make those decisions when you've had a chance to step away and look at the big picture and maybe bring your husband into those decision-making times rather than just making those decisions at 3 o'clock in the afternoon when you're just like, "Ah, we've got to be done with school, and we didn't get anything accomplished or whatever."
Yeah. Thank you. That's helpful.
Okay. Anything else here? I'll just give a couple more minutes. It's about time to close the meeting here. But if you have something yet you'd like to share or ask, please feel free to do that now. I would like to share something. I actually thought Linda might because it comes from her. She read this somewhere.
And only pick three tasks to do in a day and be happy and feel accomplished if you do those three things. And if you're a homeschooling mom, homeschool is definitely one of those things on your list. And then it can be two other things. Sometimes it's maybe visiting someone or cleaning things around your house and that kind of thing. So that has helped me tremendously when I feel overwhelmed or I'm not doing enough. Just write down three things, and then you feel you can check them off. It's always fun to check things off, right? And then you feel accomplished when they're done. So that's been a huge help.
And Marielle, I love your talk. Thank you so much for your time and everything you've said. At the beginning, you were talking about
I can't remember all the things you said, but the last one was when God says, "Be faithful. I'm great." That I just absolutely loved because it's so, oh, be faithful where you are. Sorry. Be faithful where you are because I am great. That's such a wonderful thing. And it's a good reminder for me to remember that this is my career being at home and being a mother to my children and homeschooling and being a wife to just keep that in mind and that in the forefront. This is my purpose, and it gives me just real purpose in my day. So thank you so much.
Amen. You're welcome. Thank you for sharing. That's really good. Yeah. It sounds like those standards are pretty high, actually, to get three things done in a day. There used to be times when my dear husband would come home, and I'd be on the floor with children surrounding me, and I'd be in tears, and I'd be like, "Honey, I didn't get anything done today." And he'd say, "Well, I mean, the children are still alive, and you're still alive, and that was something."
Yeah. So I was going to say. Sometimes the standard is pretty low. Yeah. Right. Depending on what season, I fed the children today. I read them a book. They could be pretty low standards. Yep. Amen.
Okay. Well, thank you all for joining today. And a special thank you for Marielle's investment in her talk today and in this platform. May God bless you in every way, Marielle, for the time that you've spent in teaching us and being faithful in that way.
I would like to mention our talk that's coming up next month here in March. A very interesting thing to consider with the talk we just heard today. I'm going to read the talk description, and maybe you'll know what I mean by that comment. Our talk in March is by Faith Zook on the power of love evangelism. And her description says this: "When was the last time I had a conversation with a total stranger? Does talking to the ungodly around us make me feel uncomfortable, or do I feel energized by these conversations? In this talk, faith will show through humor and stories how we can have the confidence to talk to others about the hope that lies within us.
Maybe you'll be able to relate to her stories and get new ideas for the neighbors in your life." So please feel free to join us again in March for this talk.
Okay. If you would be willing, Marielle, could you just pray for the listeners for each of us yet before we end? Yes. Absolutely. Let's pray. Father in heaven, thank you, thank you, thank you for the tremendous amount of grace that is available to each one of us. Lord, it is such a blessing that you have communicated to us so clearly what our role is and how we can fill it. And Lord, there are so many situations, so many exceptions to the rule, so many things, challenges that are represented here by those that have listened today and those that will listen in the future. I just pray, O God, that your Holy Spirit would give each one of these dear sisters the wisdom and the discernment to know not only what they're shooting for, but how to do it, Lord, how to make it practical.
I pray, Lord, that above all else, you would give them a heart that wants to run to you for the answers, Father, because I know you long to give the answers. Because you really, you do care for your name's sake. You want to give us the wisdom and direction that we so desperately need. And so we thank you for that, Lord. Give grace as grace is needed.
In Jesus' name. Amen. Amen.
All right, ladies, thank you so much. Have a good evening. Walk worthy of the Lord, fully pleasing him, being fruitful in every good work.