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Question 5

The speakers argue that NAR-type “apostolic” authority functions like the Twelve “functionally anyway,” even if people deny it verbally; what concrete signs would prove that a leader is claiming Christlike, servant authority versus grasping Gentile-style authority Jesus forbids?

Another way to ask: They argue that some “apostolic” leaders act like the Twelve, even if they don’t say it out loud. What real-life signs show a leader is serving like Jesus versus trying to control people in the way Jesus warned against?

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Direct Answer
The transcript suggests Christlike authority is accountable, non-coercive, grounded in Scripture, and marked by kingdom fruit; Gentile-style authority shows up as obsession with power, coercion, self-promotion, and revelation-based control. The “functionally like the Twelve” concern becomes visible in how people are expected to submit to a leader’s revelations.

Support from Transcript:

Joel: apostles “speak for God… has God's authority,” and even if they deny equality with the Twelve, “look at how it's being lived out… is it… accountable?”
Drew warns against “coercive spiritual experience” and pressure tactics; “The Holy Spirit does not force people.”
Joel: there is an “obsession with power and authority,” and it can mirror “how the rulers of the Gentiles lead.”
Joel: teaching often comes from “personal revelation” rather than “text… context… original intent.”
They note tendencies of leaders “promoting themselves” through stories, revelations, and untestable claims.

Discussion Follow-ups What accountability structures help keep gifts and leadership from becoming domination? How can a church test whether a leader’s authority produces humility and love—or fear and dependency?

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