"From Bondage and Darkness to Liberty and Light" by Micah Hozen
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The one may be overpowered by another, two can withstand him, and a threefold cord is not quickly broken. Good morning, everyone. Welcome back here to Strength to Strength. What a blessing to be together again, and just a good time of visiting to be here beforehand.
Brothers here from all parts of the world, and but that shouldn't surprise us. With God's kingdom, we have this familial spirit, with Jesus as our King and as our elder brother, and God as our Father. This familial spirit that ties us together all around the world, and what a blessing to be here, to be part of this kingdom.
So this is our last talk for 2022. We sit here at the sunset of a year, anticipating a new year. I think this is the 34th talk for this year, and it's been a really good year here on Strength to Strength. We're very thankful for that.
We've seen many friendships get started here, and many interactions. And here at Strength to Strength, we often get emails that come in with questions, and it's been a very, very good year. We want to thank our Heavenly Father for that. A quote that I thought of this morning as I was thinking about here at the sunset of 2022, I thought of the quote by C.T. Studd: "Only one life will soon be passed," or maybe we could say, "only one year."
And then he continues, "But only what's done for Christ will last." And so isn't that the case? We know that deeply that those things that are done for God, those important things, things of the kingdom, some of those are very mundane and small, but those will last.
So that can be reassuring to us as we face the future, uncertain as it might be. We can face it with certainty and even with anticipation to see what God is going to do in this coming year. And we're so excited to have our brother Micah on this morning, the whole way from out in the Pacific Northwest. So welcome here this morning with us, Micah. I got to meet Micah maybe in June of this year. I think you and your family were through. They had spent a year at Sattler College in Boston, and they were on the way back to the West Coast and stopped by, and it was a real blessing to meet you here this past year.
His topic this morning is From Bondage and Darkness to Liberty and Light. And really looking forward to hearing your testimony, Micah. I've gotten to hear a little bit of that, but to hear that here again, and also to hear what you're anticipating for the future. So it's always a blessing to look back and to look forward, and even to talk about the present as well. So we're anticipating that. So thank you, Micah, for joining us the whole way from out in Oregon. So Micah is from the Pacific Time Zone.
And I think this is actually the first time we've had somebody from that part of the world join us. So thank you for being so brave. I don't know if we ever asked anybody. If we have, we got no's because, like I said, they've never joined before, but it's good to have you here. So Micah was up at 2:30, 2 o'clock in the morning out there. So what a blessing to have you here and to join us. I was curious, Micah, are you going to be up this early and then also see the new year in too tonight?
I'm not sure. I'm not sure what we're doing today. I think that would be called burning the candle at both ends. Yeah, and in the middle too.
With nine children in the house, you might not get a good nap in. I don't know. Anyhow, so good to have you here. Before we get started, let's just bow our heads and ask our Heavenly Father to be with us here.
Father, thank you for this privilege of gathering with these brothers from all parts of the world, all parts of your kingdom. Lord, we're so humbled to, as we look back over the past year, and I'm sure as Micah looks back over his life, we see your hand at work, and we want to thank you. Lord, we want to be those who come back and say thank you. You have grateful hearts. Even though there's been hard things, there's also been so many good things, so many blessings.
And Father, we ask, Lord, that you would guide Micah and just give him wisdom, a clear mind, a calm heart as he shares, Lord, and that he would do it for your glory, which I'm certain that is his heart, and help him just to just trust in you in this time as he tells his life story. And he also has dreams about the future, Father.
You've given us the ability to imagine and to create. And so, Father, we ask, Lord, that you would just bless the desires of the Hosien family, the Brackett family, as they consider Portland and the need for a kingdom church in that city.
So Father, God indirect them. God indirect him. As he shares this morning, and we ask this in Jesus' name. Amen.
Amen. All right, Micah, we'll turn it over to you, and God bless you, brother, as you share. You can introduce yourself in whatever way you would like, and then close when you would like, and we'll open it up for some Q&A then as well. So all yours. All right. Thank you, brother. And I want to say I appreciate the videos.
It's hard for me to talk into space and into nothing. So if any of the rest of you want to pop on your videos, I'd appreciate it. Even if you're in your PJs, that'd be okay.
So my name is Micah Hosien. I'm from Oregon, originally from California, Southern California.
I'm going to share a little bit of my story. But I want to start when I was 19 years old. I was raised in a church-going home. So at 19 years old, I was at Pismo Beach, which is about the Central Coast of California.
And I found myself buried alive four feet deep under the sands of Pismo Beach, breathing through a half-inch piece of metal conduit with four guys, including my older brother, up above trying to dig me out and save my life.
I knew about God, and I knew about Christ, and I was not ready to die. The first thing was, "God, I'm not ready to die."
I was raised to kind of that I need to confess my sins before we die. And so I was doing that, and I was just all along. I had no peace. I heard the shovels above me as they were trying to dig me out, and I knew I was lost.
We had dug a fire pit and dug some holes in the sand, just kind of messing around, and ended up being a tunnel. My brother dug one side. I had dug the other side. When I was 19 years old, he was in his mid-20s. I was out there with him and his wife and some of our friends. And we dug a tunnel, and somebody threw some fireworks in there, and then a buddy said, "Hey, I bet you can't make it through there." And I said, "Oh, sure I can." So I dove in headfirst, and it was four feet down, and there was a pile of sand on top of it. And so I dove in and scrambled up and came out the other side.
I thought, "Wow, that was exciting." And we were laughing a little bit. And I can't remember why, but I went in a second time, and I dove in the hole. And this was sand, beach sand, mind you. And as I was coming up to go up the other end of the tunnel, my back brushed the bit of sand, and it collapsed on me. And my head was about four feet from the surface, and the tunnel was still there. And my brother dove into the tunnel and tried to grab me, and I was buried from my shoulders to my knees. And so he couldn't pull me out. Another friend was going to tie a rope to my boots and hook it to the hitch of his truck and try to pull me out that way.
I'm glad he didn't do that.
And then the first thing I thought of as I saw the sand kind of coming in around me, as I said, "I need something to breathe out of." My brother had made a—he used this little metal pipe to make a windbreak. I said, "I need a piece of pipe. Give me a piece of conduit." "Jeremy," my brother said, "conduit." Nathan grabbed the piece of pipe, knocked it against his boot to get the sand out of it, gave it to Jeremy. He threw it in the hole. I had my hand right here. I was able to grab the conduit, and I kept it by my mouth. They grabbed shovels, started digging, and it caved the rest of the sand in.
So it was totally black. And I had my hand and a little bit of air around here, and I was breathing through this pipe. And it took a while. I think it was a half hour. It seemed like eternity.
And I could hear them above saying, "Micah, we're getting tired," as they were digging and digging and digging.
And all along, I was crying out to God, "God, I'm not ready to die. I'm not ready to die." They finally dug down a deep enough channel that I could see some light. It was nighttime, but I could see the lights around. But it was so steep, they moved around, and it caved it in again.
I screamed out.
They ended up digging me out that day, and I came out onto the sand, and we were raised to memorize prayers. And so I'd get on my knees, and I said every memorized prayer that I knew. And I got up, and I hugged each of the guys that dug me out. And one of them said, "Micah, I thought we were going to dig your grave today."
And that night, I got into my truck, and I drove four hours to another city where I was going that weekend. And I was just thinking, thinking, thinking. So that was 19 years old. I want to zoom back to my childhood. And I have a scripture for each section of my life. So my childhood, the scripture is 2 Timothy 3:15, that from a child, thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise into salvation.
I was raised in the city, in the Southern California suburbs, in Whittier, California, born and raised. I was two years old, and then I got married in the same house. So I knew one house growing up. Went to public school. I loved God's things. I loved the things about God. I loved singing.
We were from a singing background in our family and our church. And so I loved singing. I was drawn to zeal and people who were zealous. My older brother had made a vow. So amongst the group we were raised in, a lot of the youth have drinking parties.
And my brother had made a vow as a young teenager not to drink. And I remember with some other friends, and he told me about it. And that inspired me. And I thought, "I want to do that too."
I liked serving at church. And so the youth can serve food and get involved in that way. And so I would always get involved and kind of get underfoot. But I'd like to help.
My father had a zeal, and he sang and he worshiped God, and I just loved it. I loved it. He was, where a lot of other men would maybe be kind of stalwart and staunch, he was more zealous.
He had told stories of being a conscientious objector during Vietnam, had to stood before a big row of judges with their cigars, and he had to explain to them why he wasn't going to go to war. My parents loved each other, and I knew it.
My mom said I was a sweet boy, but I was also a liar, and I was an angry boy. I would burst out in anger toward my siblings, and at school, I'd get in fights. And I was raised in a Russian Molokon home. I'm going to briefly explain what that might be because it doesn't have a really box to fit anything.
So in the 16th, 1700s, the Molokons had pulled away from the Russian Orthodox Church, got rid of the icons, and they were very evangelistic, very simplistic in their faith. If any of you have read, Peter Hoover wrote a book called The Russian Secret, and he talked about the remnant church in Russia for a thousand years. And so he mentions the spirit Christians and then the Molokons who came out of that group.
They were a group that was big on holiness and non-conformity. They didn't go to war. They didn't get involved in government. It was a pretty diverse movement in the beginning.
I would have called it an Eastern Kingdom Church, Kingdom Christians in Russia, all except they didn't do water baptism. That was the only thing or the main difference. And then in the 1830s, there was some kind of outward manifestation.
And again, I don't know everything that happened back then, just the stories. And so there was this manifestation of the Holy Spirit, and there was a split between the Molokons, and there were the Molokon jumpers who were the ones that received this outward manifestation of prophecy and tongues, and they would jump while they would worship. And then the bulk of the Molokons in Russia stayed the constant Molokons or the steadfast. They call them pasteyane.
And in the 1850s, a prophetic leader—there was a lot of prophetic leaders—arose, but one specifically named Maksim Gavrilovich Rudametkin. And he made claims about himself that he was the king of spirits, that he was the manifestation of the spirit of truth, that he was the third face of God, all things that I don't believe are true, but became kind of a cult leader amongst the jumper Molokons. And he ended up getting taken to a monastery prison, and he wrote to his followers.
And they ended up, some of his followers, smuggling his writings out on tea leaves. Kind of a fascinating story. But he died in monastery prison. He was in Solovetsky and then Suzdal.
His followers believed he was taken up. There's some stories, some legends about when they went to the prison to see him. So in 1905, a bunch of the Molokons migrated to Southern California, and they were actually looking for—they actually wanted to live. And it was a mixed group. So it wasn't all the followers of Maksim that came to the US, but it was some that did and some that didn't. They were looking actually for land in Canada or Mexico. They wanted to have a commune type of setup. But some men, a group of them, ended up in Southern California, got jobs, earned money. People heard about it, and so there was a pretty big exodus.
About 10,000 people came over in Southern California.
The followers of Maksim, the jumper Molokons, became preeminent in the American church by the 1950s. They printed his writings in a second book. So the jumper Molokons have the Bible, and then they have this other book of writings, which contains prophecies and teachings.
And it's a book that a lot of Molokons just take as a history book, but it's actually full of some pretty serious heresies. And there's a couple of men that wrote in there. And it's confusing at best and pretty dark at worst. So that was my—and so in growing up, 100 years later, so that was 1905, they came over. So in the '80s and in LA, I was raised that we were the chosen God's chosen people and kind of a one true church. We were the only chosen people. And all the rest of them, there's like 666 false Christian faiths. These are some of the things that we were raised with. I didn't have friends outside of the church.
Our social circles and our religiously, we were very isolated. So I never went to another outside church. One time, I went to a school field trip to a Catholic church. I remember being kind of scared going in there.
We wouldn't listen to any outside teachings. That was very frowned upon. And the Russian language was pretty prolific. Different churches did it different ways, but all the singing and all the praying and there was prophesying too, all that was all in the Russian language.
Some churches allowed English preaching, but the majority of people didn't have a working knowledge of Russian. A lot didn't understand it at all.
And let's see, socially and religiously isolated, but we weren't separate from the world. So we would go to, in our behavior and our lifestyle, public school, entertainment, TV, movies, music. A lot of the youth, like I said, drink and smoke, even drugs.
The youth scene has a lot of recreational dating, immodest, beach lifestyle, all those things. So that was my childhood. And then growing into the teen years, the scripture that would identify my teen years, early teen years especially, was Galatians 1:14, that I was more exceedingly zealous of the tradition of my fathers.
I loved God's things. I guess that's the best way I could say it. And a lot of Molokon youth get into smoking cigarettes, and I tried not to. When I was 15 years old, for one year, I smoked cigarettes and then just changed my mind about that. I didn't get involved in the drinking scene. I lost friends because of that.
I didn't have any real use for my Bible. I didn't do Bible reading or anything.
And I was 15. I discovered masturbation and pornography. And so 15, the next couple of years, the internet came into our world, and that just got exacerbated.
The Molokon youth, I said they have drinking parties, and I didn't really go to those, but sometimes I would because my friends, as I got older, some of my friends got drawn to that. And I had a zeal to try to help my friends to not get into that scene. So I would go to the parties, and I would steal their beer, and I would throw it in the trash to try to get them to not do that.
It didn't help. And it gave me a sense of that I was doing something right, but also that I had this lust sin that I was nurturing. And we would get involved. Me and the good kids would get involved in destruction of people's property. We'd drive around at night and smash things and try not to get caught.
And so there was this mixture of desire to do right, but also sin. I would also host get-togethers at our house. So it wasn't a party. It was a get-together. My parents allowed us to have 100, 200 people over our house. And so our house was kind of the clean house where we would just host all these youth and where most of the parents would not go outside. My father would come outside and give a big speech to all the young people and say, "Hey, you're all welcome to be here.
You're not allowed to drink here. No drinking, no smoking. If you want to do that, go somewhere else." But he would walk around, and he'd go out. And at night, there'd be kind of a get-together and a big group of young people, and he would go out there and surprise all the other parents. He'd say, "Well, you're going outside." He's like, "Yeah, sure." And so that impacted me that he was willing to get involved.
And during those teen years, my father began a question and answer, like a topical Bible study. And I remember sitting in on that with my older siblings. And it was kind of the first time I really noticed the Bible. And it was mostly like he would do a very topical. They'd ask questions about suicide and abortion and just these different teen questions. And he would just dig in and answer those questions. I noticed at that time my family was more into Maksim, this false prophet.
My family was more into him than most Molokons, especially my mother's side of the family. And I became more exceedingly zealous of the tradition of my fathers. And I wanted to learn more about Maksim. And because those who were the Maksimists, those who were that portion of the Molokons seemed to be more fervent.
And those who would talk about Jesus just kind of seemed to be lax. And I noticed that. So moving on, I was 18 years old. And so my older teen years would be 1 Timothy 3:16, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for instruction, of correction, for instruction and righteousness." I started attending a couple of exegetical Bible studies taught by older Molokon men where they would just teach through the Bible. And that was eye-opening to me. And so before this time, I remember I was a mid-teen. My uncle had bought me a King James Bible. So I remember sitting at my desk one time. I think I was 15 years old.
And I sat at my desk. I was like, "I'm going to read my Bible. I want to do this." And I remember sitting down and just I remember just my head swirling, and there was words, and I couldn't really grasp it. And so that was my history with the Bible. But going to these Bible studies, I was taught I think I was taught a lot of truth. And so these are both men who weren't really into the book of Spirit and Life. That's the Molokon's book. It's called the book of Spirit and Life or the book of the Son. And so these two Bible teachers were more biblical-based. And so I started learning scriptures.
And I remember hearing and I remember the gospel hitting me. I was 18 years old. I was at this man, Jim Metchikov's house. He was teaching the Bible studies. He's an elder man. And I remember hearing like, "Oh, you believe on Jesus and you're saved."
And I was 18. I remember exactly where I was sitting at his house. And it was like the lights went on. But nothing changed. But I remember understanding it. During that time, I heard of this guy who was a little older than me named Johnny Lodiyev.
Something interesting happened that he had left the Molokons. But I remember hearing that he had gotten married. And the peculiar thing about his marriage was—and my aunt was telling me this story kind of derisively—and that at their wedding, Johnny and his wife were going to kiss for the first time. And I remember something went off in my head thinking, "Hey, there's something good about that." And we had a little debate. My aunt was my older brother's age. And so we had a little discussion about whether that was a good idea or not. And I thought it was a good idea. Again, I'm thinking about these zealous things.
Also, through one of these Bible teachers, I was introduced to some outside teaching. And it was actually Ken Ham and Answers in Genesis Ministry and also Michael Pearl. And so I got a book and was opened up to some outside Bible teaching. And so from Ken Ham, I learned that I could just believe the Bible. And that was life-changing for me. And Michael Pearl, through him, it was an idea of a godly family. There's the last chapter of his book to his two children.
It was a child training book. And I'm 18 years old. And so if you asked me at 18, I knew everything about child training. You should have just asked my friends who had children. I shake my head about the things that I said now, but I had it pinned down.
But it gave me a vision for a godly family and a holy life. I worked at a computer doing drafting. And so I would listen to—I found this sermon audio and sermon index. So I listened to Revival Preaching and Charles Spurgeon and Ian Paisley and Leonard Ravenhill. And so I listened to a lot. I can't remember a lot of the other names, but it was Bible teaching. And during that time, I started debating other people about the Trinity. There were some Molokon chat rooms and stuff. And ex-Molokons would debate. And I started debating because Molokons don't believe in Trinity.
And through trying to debate it, I ended up seeing it in the scriptures, seeing the divinity of Christ. And so during that time, as I was growing fervency and learning about the Bible, I loved Molokon culture and traditions. And so Molokons, when they go to church, they wear this kind of peasant-style clothing. The women's dress is real modest, and they cover their heads. And the men wear this kind of tunic shirt and a little rope belt, like 100 years ago, peasant Russians would.
But as soon as they leave, they get all changed, and they blend right back in with the world. But I tried to make Molokon culture and traditions fit with the Bible. And I was just trying to make these things go together. I was hearing good Bible teaching, and I was trying to make them all go together.
But I had no prayer life, no personal Bible reading. I had no victory over sin. So pornography and masturbation was gaining ground in my life. And I was zealous for Jesus, and I was zealous for Maksim, this false prophet. And I tried to make them fit together. And Maksim even wrote a couple of prayers to Jesus. And they were real beautiful. And so it was just this confusing mixture of things in my mind.
And so all American Molokons don't accept Maksim as the King of Spirits and that he's going to rule under Christ in the thousand-year reign and all this stuff. But in order to be an American Molokon church, they all need to kind of tip their hat to him. So there's even churches that almost don't accept him at all, but they still have his book open on their main altar table in the church. And so they all have to do that because if they take it off, then the church kind of gets cut off from the rest of the churches.
And so at 23 years old, the next scripture in my early 20s is 1 Peter 1:16, "Be ye holy." And so the idea of holiness was coming to bear in my mind.
I met and married my beautiful wife, Monya, which is Russian for Mary. We were both into God, and we were both interested in getting married, which was fairly unique at that time in our age group. She's a few years younger than I am.
And when I was 17, I asked God. So my prayer life existed. My prayer life was basically when I wanted things. And so at 17, I asked God, "I want a wife." I was ready to get married at 17.
So at 23, I got married. I thought I was ready at 17. And so I finally had a wife of my own. And we both tried. We both tried to. We had some good marriage counseling, and we both tried to make it work. And there were some sweet things about our early marriage, but I brought sin into our marriage.
And neither one of us was born again. And I desired holiness. I desired victory over sin. I hated my sin, but I didn't really hate my sin. It's hard to pin it all down. Did I not quite understand? I kept going to it, and I kept lying about it.
But we wanted a different kind of life. So we grew up with a TV. My wife's family got a TV in her early teens, and she saw the shift in her family. And we both decided we're not going to have a TV when we get married.
And so we didn't. Now, we would watch worldly movies and stuff on computers and go to my parents' house and watch TV. But we tried to make these particular lines in our life. And so about a year after marriage, we decided to leave the city. There's a Molokon community up in kind of around the Silverton-Woodburn area, nearby Salem, Oregon.
And I loved Oregon. I had visited there a few times, visited the Molokon group up there, and never thought about moving. And then one day, we talked about it. And my parents said, "We're thinking about moving to Oregon." My wife and I went up there one weekend to consider moving up there. And when we left Oregon, we had an offer in on a house.
So we got out of the city. My mindset was, "I'm going to flee Sodom and Gomorrah before it," or, "I'm going to flee Sodom and Gomorrah before the fire falls from heaven." I wanted to raise a family, and I didn't want to do it in the city. And I thought that was the answer.
So we got chickens and goats and ducks and lived on Silver Creek. It was a beautiful little property on the edge of Silverton. And we still had sin. I still had sin. Our marriage wasn't doing well. At some point, my wife discovered my sin and considered leaving at one point. But the divorce levels historically in the Molokon have been very, very low, even at that time. So it was almost 20 years ago.
And during that time, I was again listening to teaching and listening to preaching.
Leonard Ravenhill and holiness and prayer and those things were starting to take root more and stir me up. The scripture for this next season, in early days of Oregon, was Romans 6:11, "Reckon yourselves dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God."
And it was actually through—I don't recommend everything Michael Pearl teaches, but I listened to his teachings on Romans 6:7 and 8 for two years, over and over and over and over, sitting at a computer, drawing blueprints. And I believed what the scripture said, that we could be dead to sin and alive to God, that we could have victory. We could have victory over sin. And for two years, I believed that by faith, that believing that I could be dead to sin. And it didn't work. It wouldn't work, and I couldn't figure out why.
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I was learning the Bible through, again, outside teaching. I was teaching a Bible study. And the next scripture at 28 years old is 2 Corinthians 13:15, "Examine yourself to see if you're in the faith."
And it was through, again, it was just confusing. I would watch street preachers and be excited about those kinds of things. And I would look at pornography. And so my whole life was just a big jumble. And it was some preaching, again, by online stuff, but through Paul Washer. And he just had these scathing messages. And I just knew there was something about it. I knew there was something that needed to change.
And so it was through a message on that scripture, "Examine yourself to see if you're in the faith." So I got away, and I spent some time fasting. Actually, I don't think I got away. I think I was just—I was around the house. I was spending some time fasting and praying.
And I actually still have the notebook right down here. And I wrote some things on this notebook. And it was, "In 100 years, will I be in heaven or hell?" And basically, this is examining my life. And I look back at kind of the—so I was 28. I look back at the 10 years from when I understood the gospel at 18. And there was no victory over sin.
I didn't love God's word. I didn't have a prayer life. At least I didn't have answered prayer. Let's say that. At 28 years old, we had two children by this point. And no, three. Nathaniel was born too.
And so I was reflecting on all of that. I didn't have victory over sin. And I knew that God would chasten his children. And so I was walking in sin, unrepentant sin for those years, and I wasn't being chastened by God. And that was a key thing for me. It hit me. And I thought, "Whoa."
I'm trying to think if there's anything else. But those things were so impactful to me that I realized I'm lost. And I actually said it with my mouth, like, "I'm lost. I'm a sinner."
And I didn't know what to do because I had come to understand the gospel. I had come to understand the truth. I had come to understand holiness and all these things. And I thought, "What do I do? How do I lay hold of this?"
And I ended up telling my wife. And there was a time when—and she was perplexed about it. She was trying to figure out what was going on, who this man was that she was living with. And I remember at one point, we were sitting in our living room in Silverton, and she just opened her mouth, and just out of her mouth just came this—I can't remember exactly what she said, but it was just the pure unadulterated gospel.
And it was like I was sitting there on this bench, and it was like I was in this muddy water, and I couldn't quite grab things. And as she was speaking, it was like it was this breath of life.
And in my heart, I'm thinking, "Keep going. Keep going. This is good. This is good." And then she stopped. And inside, I was going, "No. Don't stop. Keep going. This is good." And she stopped, and it was kind of like I sunk back in and got confused again. And I think Satan lied to both of us that day.
She thought, "Well, I can't teach my husband." And I thought, "Well, I can't let my wife teach me." Well, at least learn that. But I think the gospel is one beggar telling another beggar where to find some food in a simple way.
And then a couple of days later, I was teaching a Bible study, and I thought, "Well, God spoke through a donkey. Maybe he could speak through me." And I kept the Bible study going. But only my wife and one friend came. His name is John.
And he's the most soft-spoken, quiet man that I know and still have ever known. So I was going to teach on Genesis 3 and 4 about the fall, interestingly. So I set it aside, and I told John what was going on. I said, "John, I'm lost. I went through this." And I explained to him everything.
He just kind of sits there. He opens his Bible.
Doesn't say anything. He said, "Turn to Psalm such and such." I can't remember where. And we turned there, and we read it. And he said, "Is that you?" And we spent the next four hours till about 1:00 in the morning looking at scriptures and talking and praying and crying out to God. And at some point, I heard him just lift his voice louder than I'd ever hear him. And he cried out to God for me. And something changed that night. I confessed, and I repented, and I believed with all my heart.
I didn't gain any more information, but something went from here to here. And so it was this experience. And I learned enough about experiential Christianity that I wasn't looking for an experience. And I got an experience. And we're singing the song in Russian, "Oh, give thanks to the Lord for He is good, for His mercy endures forever." And I'm raising my hands, and I just feel this burden lifted. I'm like, "Praise the Lord." And I look at John, and he just looks green. He's just exhausted. I look at my wife, and she's just like this. And I just thought, "What's wrong with you guys? Aren't you happy? Don't you know what God did for us?"
Well, they just fought a battle for my soul, and I'm reaping the benefits from it. And everything changed. From that day, everything changed. My life—so this next scripture is 2 Corinthians 5:17, "Therefore, if any man be in Christ Jesus, he is a new creature. He's a new creation. All things are passed away; behold, all things have become new."
My life was as different as death and life, darkness, light, bondage to liberty.
Within a month, my wife actually had a similar but very distinct experience of her own because she had not walked in, according to her conscience, as a teenage life. That's her story. But she had something too where she got clear with God.
And I sinned three more times with lust after that. It was about a month or two.
And my conscience was totally different. And my heart was broken. And God delivered me from that, from pornography and masturbation that year. And our marriage was different, and our relationship was different. And how we looked at what life was was different. Everything tasted and smelled and felt new. Molokons don't believe in water baptism. And so a year later, we happened to visit the church in Cane Creek.
And it was actually Michael Pearl who baptized me. And then I got to baptize my wife at the same time.
Other Molokon friends who at that same season were seeking, and some people were trying to argue with me and say, "Oh, you didn't get saved. You always were. You just kind of woke up or something." I said, "No, I was lost." "Oh, no, no, Michael. We know you, Michael. You just—" "No," I said, "I was lost, and now I'm found."
And some had some similar experiences. Actually, my two brother-in-laws, my sister's husbands, who are both a little older than me, had similar experiences. And we didn't find out till a year or two later. It was kind of like a secret revival amongst a lot of Molokons.
So we spent a year seeking with these people, with these other Molokons. And I remember even before I got baptized, we were even talking about baptism, like, "Well, you haven't been baptized, and I haven't. Can we go out to the river and baptize each other?" It was interesting. I'd never really known about the Anabaptists and kind of how they did that.
But we were trying to figure out what to do. And after a year of seeking, we ended up hearing about this Christian homeschool conference in Oregon. So we went there. And I didn't know what to expect. I had listened to enough holiness preaching that I was worried about going to non-American churches. And I found a really sweet remnant of people up in Portland at this homeschool conference talking about, "It's not about homeschooling. It's about family discipleship." And there was this really peculiar-looking group of people handing out free CDs and books. I was pretty suspicious. They were all smiling. And I was looking at these books by this guy named David Burkott. And I was like, "I don't know who this guy is."
And these Godly Home series by this guy named Denny. And I was like, "Yeah, I'll take a few of these." And I put them in a bag. And I went home, and I searched David Burkott, David Burso. And somebody said something bad about him. And I was like, "Oh, yeah, that guy's probably crazy."
But we met this group, and I think we went to their church. It was a charity church in Halsey, Oregon, Valley Christian Fellowship, where Brother Roger Hertzler is. And we went to this church and met some people, some people who were Anabaptist background, some people who were non-Anabaptist background, Kingdom Christian seeking. And it was really exciting. During that year, we went back east and met some ex-Molokons who were Mennonites.
And they were in Tennessee. And we met them in Kentucky, Jim and Tonya Volkoff. And then we met the Pearls. And it was just a really special year. We did some travel. We went to the Creation Museum. And it was just this newness of life. We learned about Kingdom Christians. And at that point, started settling into those convictions more and more. As I explored outside the Molokon fold, my seeking friends, seeking Molokon friends, most of them leaned back toward Molokonism. And a lot of them, we've parted ways. And it's been some difficult relationships. And we've tried to reach out in different ways to a number of them. And with a lot of them, it's pretty difficult.
The ones who are the most seeking seem to have drawn back from us, at least. And so the next and maybe the last season, I don't know, the next scripture, 2 Corinthians 6:17, "Come out from among them and be separate. Touch not the unclean thing, and I will receive you," saith the Lord.
So after two years of seeking, we ended up telling our parents and our preacher that we were going to leave the Molokons and had some pretty decent conversations with a couple of them. My parents was a more difficult conversation.
And we left everything. So that was our family, our cousins, our aunts and uncles, our grandparents. Ended up bringing shame to our parents because in the Molokons, people that leave are treated kind of like Samaritan dogs, those mninach. The word mninach is kind of this vernacular that we grew up with. It means not ours. And so anybody outside the Molokons was mninach.
When I grew up, you didn't drink out of the same cup as a mninach. We had some workers that were working at a house when I was a little guy, and they had their special cups and dishes that we would give them food.
My younger brother accidentally drank out of a mninach person's cup when he was a little guy. And he felt sick and didn't know what to do. And so this was the attitude of those on the outside. So we became those to our family. We became the ones that rejected the faith. We left the faith, is how they called it.
And even the way that Molokons do church is different from the typical American sitting in pews, everybody facing one direction. Molokons have church kind of in a circle. And there's more interaction and stuff like that. So we left, and we went to we started visiting Valley Christian Fellowship. It's a charity church in Halsey, Oregon.
And we attended there for and we ended up moving down there, attended there for about two years. And it was a sweet season of life. And I was seeking a people. I was seeking a people because I left my people, and I was looking for that.
So there was a lot of really good things we got from down there, just settling in and understanding what a Kingdom Christian was and seeing that in my distant past.
But certain things there, the Anabaptist cultural things that were involved with the church, they perplexed us. I was very much into modest dress and head covering.
But legislating certain styles was it was difficult to wrap my head around. And you could have printed dresses, but you can't have print on your head covering. And so we more struggled, my wife and I struggled with requiring that of someone else because I wanted to be somewhere where I could bring in people from the outside. And I also wanted an older brother to just be discipled by. And most of the people there at Valley were similar ages. People a few years older than me, but most of us were similar age. And so after a couple of years there, we ended up moving on. We were able to leave on good terms. I blessed them.
We thanked them for their time there. And we still have some good relationships there. And during that time, looking back, there was some stubbornness and pride in my own heart too. And that, hopefully, the Lord has dealt with. And we moved down to Southern Oregon. There was a home church there, a very outside-the-box home church. This older brother who had 10 children who loved the Lord and who were following their father. And this brother, James, I'd say he was Brother Ernest Eby has this chart of different groups and how they this is like a green and black chart. If you haven't looked at it, it's fascinating. But it's like Kingdom Christians and then people who are kind of halfway grasping the kingdom.
I'd say that's what this group was. Brother James, he believed in the head covering and modesty. He wasn't going to send disciples to war because it was a wrong army, but he would allow people to be in the military. And so the group was a little perplexing. But he had a heart to disciple young men. And he was, in some ways, like a spiritual father to me. And it was really special to move down there. And my plan was to be down there for five years and then move on to some other place where I can serve the Lord. And after nine months of us moving down there, he died.
And so it was like it was just so our whole world got shifted. During the last three months, when his brain cancer was coming on, he had me start leading and preaching, taking that over a little bit more. And so at 35 years old, I was pastoring a small home church. The church had been there for like 20 years, but it was a home church. And so for six years, I attempted to pastor this church in a temporary, like an interim way. He was wanting to lay hands on me and ordain me before he died. But I had just moved down there, and the brothers didn't quite know me. And so we were still just working through some of that.
So I was in this temporary leadership position. During that time, I grew and just grew with the Lord, but also just more settled into what it is to be a Kingdom Christian. And there were challenges there, but there were also blessings. It was a really diverse but sweet group of believers.
And that's in this area, in the Roseburg area. And if I can identify the group, I'd say they're happily disunified or they're very unified in not pursuing unity on especially pretty important Sermon on the Mount issues and identifying what it is to love your enemy and marriage, divorce, remarriage, and head covering and modesty. And there's just a pretty diverse package there, even some will. And yeah, yeah. So I want to give the right picture of them. But two years ago, and through this time, I was trying to talk to them about Kingdom things. And it was difficult conversations. There was not a lot of open, candid discussion and digging into those things. And kind of a straw was we talked about we were starting to talk about age of baptism because I would lean to an older age of baptism.
And it was really difficult conversations. So about two years ago, I took a sabbatical. I just stepped back. There was an older brother from a holiness background who had moved into the neighborhood area. And so I asked him to take over what I was doing.
And stepping back was really good for our marriage. This one family was very strong, kind of their culture and identity in the church. And so our family felt kind of some pressure from them to be more like them. And they're German. We're Russian, east, west. There's just some different cultural things there.
And I felt like without leading a group, I could think straight on some more things. And so it was a really good time. During that time, we did a cross-country trip and went to Boston. And so a year ago, we decided to, oh, a year and a half ago, decided we're going to go do a one-year program at Sattler, the one-year biblical certificate program, which was really, really exciting. And we knew Matthew Milioni from years before, from when he was out here in Oregon. And then the Brackett family was out there too. They had moved out there three years before to work at Sattler. And so that move out there was really special.
Our connections just broadened. I love connecting people. It lights me up, that connecting like-minded brethren. And so we went out there. We joined up with Followers of the Way and really appreciate a lot of what the Lord's doing there. We met a whole bunch of brothers and sisters. We met the Church of Christ in Woburn and Chuck Pike and David Adams and that group there. We went up to Maine and met Beacon of Light Christian Fellowship, Emmanuel King and his family, and Marlon and Darla Weaver down in Rhode Island. They were in Rhode Island at that point and really appreciate their family and just made some really deep friendships there, as well as doing the one year of Sattler.
I got to sit down, and I got to write a paper on church membership and divorce and marriage and head covering and all these things I've been wanting to spend time thinking. It was very like sitting in a quiet room and studying and praying and looking at the scriptures and learning about scholarly papers. And it was really a special time to spend just really grasping these things on a deeper level.
And so then after the year, oh, got to know Brother Finney out there too, as well as others. And then after the year, we came back to Oregon. But during the last six months there, and actually for the last so when the sabbatical happened, I was starting to thinking of looking forward because I realized that this group that we were part of didn't seem like they were going to change. They were pretty settled, more foundationally evangelical.
And it didn't seem like there was going to be any significant change there. So I started thinking about the future and going to another church or starting something and had a great talk with a dear brother, Tyler. And we were talking about what it looks like to move forward and to lead and to lead other people and talking about unity.
The truth brings unity, and untruth and false teaching brings disunity. And some of those things were really helpful for me. So then the last six months in Boston, about a year ago, we started talking about coming back here, seeing the impact of living in the city. We lived in the city, in the apartment, and seeing the impact of being around so many people. We did evangelism class at Sattler, which homework was great. Homework was one hour of prayer a week, have a purposeful half-hour-long Bible study with a non-Christian, and then read some real good books. So I appreciated that. I was pressed into that. I looked through my phone and realized I barely had any non-Christians in my phone contacts.
And we ended up having some really great Bible studies with some Muslim men who I'm still in communication with over there in Boston. Actually, one's in Iraq now and one's still in Boston. And it was really seeing what a church can do in the city. It was shifting my mindset. All the godly men said, "Get out of the city." Brother Denny and Mike Pearl were just like, "All these men are like, 'Get out of there.'" But I realized that the New Testament doesn't necessarily say that. And so we started talking about Portland, my wife and I, and then the Bracketts who were considering coming back to Oregon during that time. This is Jeremy and Jessica Brackett family who was in Boston, who was originally from Oregon.
And we were in the same church in Halsey years ago. We had stayed connected with them. And we started talking about a Kingdom church here in Oregon. And so as we talked about it, we did some Zoom calls for a few months and thought, "This is a good idea." And we wrote a letter to the church here to let them know what our intentions were. And that letter has become more of like a I changed it into an article about church life in the kingdom. And it was really good for my wife and I. We took about a month to really pray over this thing and see what we saw going forward for church life.
So we left there, left Boston, and had a really great trip coming back. We went to State College and met the brethren there and went to Burton Christian Fellowship and got to know Brother Alan Troyer and all the way across, went to Las Cruces, New Mexico, and met some really precious brethren in the German Baptist New Conference Church down in Las Cruces, New Church Plant, and quite a few other people across the states. And coming back, my thought was, "Who are my people?" And what I mean by that is Kingdom Christians, which would I like that. I like Brother David Berceau's phrase, "The Kingdom Christians," because it encompasses those of Anabaptist background who are foundationally Kingdom Christians as well as others.
And I was trying to understand, "Who are these people?" And honestly, there's a little selfish thought in here too. My oldest son is almost 17, and I have a daughter who's 15 and another son who's 14. I think my children need to know what fishing ponds they're going to be grabbing spouses from or, in my daughter's case, who they're going to be grabbed by. And I wanted them to understand. And so Boston was a really good time in Maine. And our children understood that it wasn't just their papa who had these crazy ideas, but there's a bigger group of people who believe like us. And so that was real pivotal for our family. And then the trip back across.
So coming back, we came back with the vision of the Bracketts, and us came back at the same time with the plan to plant a Kingdom church in Portland.
And they were with us for a while, and then they found a house a couple of hours up north. And so we're here now in Oregon looking at the future with a vision and a burden to plant a Kingdom church in Portland. The closest one is about 45 minutes away. I think that's not Hopewell, but there's an estacada.
And so our desire is to be really close, trying to figure out what that looks like, what our families can function in, how much inner city we can function in. And we've had some conversations about that, realizing our strengths and where we're at. Bracketts have 11 children, some are little babies, and we have nine children, one still a little baby. And what it looks like, we have seven boys. The Bracketts have seven boys. And so they need some space to be able to be boys and be men and learn those things.
But our desire is to see the Kingdom of God manifest in the city of Portland. And so being at different places, being at State College, meeting the brethren in Western Mass, Amherst, being in Boston, meeting some of the brothers from our Brother Wendell from Pittsburgh, and just grabbing hold, connected up with Brother J. Anthony Herzler in Oklahoma. And just seeing that it could work, seeing that moving in or real close to the city doesn't necessarily devour your families, but the Kingdom of God is bigger than that. The Kingdom of God is more powerful. The light is brighter than the darkness. And that's some of our heart and our desire. We appreciate a lot of things we saw in Boston and things we saw at State College.
And our desire is to not just one church, but to have an interconnected network of interdependent congregations to build and encourage each other. And that was our desire of coming back across the US and connect with more of these brothers. And so if you get a random text message from me asking you some strange questions, I love connecting brothers, and I want to be connected more. And we have some of this technology to do that.
I know I have a certain gift that the Lord has given me, but I know that I'm lopsided, and I need others locally around me to help me with that. But also, we need congregations. We're going to have imbalances too, and we need to give and receive.
Paul in Romans said, "I want to give you some spiritual gift." I want to read that right in Romans 1 at the beginning. He said,
"Making request if by any means now at length I might have a prosperous journey by the will of God to come unto you. For I long to see you that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift to the end ye may be established." And then he says, "That is that I may be comforted together with you by the mutual faith, both of you and me." And he had a scripture that's so powerful that we each have our walk with God, we each have our faith, and we can encourage and strengthen and help each other as we gain trust and learn and grow with each other. We can help build up not just our local bodies, but we can encourage each other more interlocally.
There was a really interesting thing I learned from a nationwide fellowship church we visited a bunch of years ago. Each bishop is kind of like an outside advisor to two other churches. And then that local church has two other bishops from two other churches kind of being their counselors. And so that's some of the model we've sort of grabbed and copied State College. We have three older brothers who've been involved in church leadership and planting and stuff who are like our advisors for our local church. It's us, our family, and the Jeremy and Jessica Brackett family. And so we're going to be moving two hours north near the Bracketts. So we're going to be there in holding pattern, waiting for another one or two families to bring their gifts and their loaves and fishes and connect up and unite together.
And then we're going to transition up to the southeast Portland areas where we keep—it's where my thoughts keep going. It's where I keep thinking about. And when we decided that southeast Portland will be where we go, my wife reminded me of a dream she had a year ago, which in the dream, we were looking for some housing, and she had saw the city of Portland. And down and to the right, there was like an area outlined. There were no words, but it was just like, "The Lord has a place for us."
And as we settled on southeast Portland, she said, "Well, I had a dream." And I said, "Well, why didn't you tell me the dream?" She said, "I did tell you." And I said, "I don't remember." But it was just—I'll take that as some confirmation. I take dreams with a grain of salt. But when it confirms where we're going prayerfully, I'm encouraged by that. So that's our story hitherto. And we want to move forward together by the grace of God.
Thank you so much, Brother Micah. So many times on our Strength to Strength calls, talks, I get that Amadeus Rhodes effect from a heart that burns within me. And thank you, Brother, for doing that this morning. I really am touched by your testimony and your passion.
Praise the Lord. And just as we get started here, you mentioned that verse in Galatians 1 where Paul is talking about his zeal that he had for Judaism and how God got a hold of him. And then in Galatians 2, he says this, "I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me. And the life which I now live in the flesh, I live by faith in the Son of God who loved me and gave himself for me." And praise God, I see that in your life. And God's at work. His kingdom is coming in your life and continuing to come and in our lives and in people who don't know him.
And there's ones in Portland who I'm confident God is preparing for your arrival there. But it takes patience, doesn't it, for a vision like that to sprout and to actually put roots downward. And I want to just encourage you to keep putting those roots downward and getting that foundation set for that work there.
So yeah, thank you for taking on this journey. I have a number of questions that as I listen, I typed out here.
But I don't want to monopolize the time to ask you questions here. But maybe what I'll do—so first of all, you mentioned about a document that you kind of put together. Maybe is it your vision for the church? Yeah. So we have a one-page vision for the next season of life and then a little bit bigger one, which is kind of more in-depth, like how we see church life. Sure. Yeah.
And is that something you're open to sharing at all? I do think you have your email there on your bio on the webpage. So either we could attach it to the page or possibly, if you were interested in seeing it, you could email. Yeah. Yeah. I'll send those to you.
You can email Micah and ask him for that. It's a big vision that you have there in Portland. But as you mentioned, this vision of going into the cities and being that Kingdom community, right, a sacred community there is really needed in our day. And I just want to bless you for that vision of not running and retreating and building walls and making those lanes longer. But going forward with that glint in our eyes that Jesus is king and the gates of hell will not prevail against us. And we need more of that in our day. That's really inspiring.
And then, of course, your vision for Kingdom networking. I really appreciate that as well. It's a passion of my heart. And it's something I think about often is how can we nurture that? Unfortunately, we've had to kind of get these little weird stratas going on, maybe in the Kingdom world, that I think have been less helpful than helpful. But how can we—yeah, how can we nurture this cross-pollination idea and network together? And wow, maybe sometime we'll have to unpack that more for sure.
And having maybe something I'd love to see happen sometimes like a panel discussion here on Strength to Strength, how can we actually create a latticework or a framework that can help really intentionally nurture these types of things? And of course, that's one of the burdens for Strength to Strength really is to bring people together and just using a platform like this. But maybe we can unpack that some more sometime, Micah. And then lastly, and then I'll open this up here after this question is I would like for you to give us—I'm going to put you on the spot here a little bit, but give us the Kingdom message in a couple of sentences. As you think about your Russian molokhan, which I find totally fascinating, this was like a new thing for me.
In June, when I met you, I'd never heard of the group. So it's very fascinating. But as you share with them the Kingdom of God, obviously, they're reading the Bible, but just through such a different lens. Or even as you interact with your Anabaptist friends, your neighbors, or your Protestants, what is the Kingdom of God, and how do you describe that in a way that helps people see it?
Could you give us a couple of sentences there?
Oh, yeah.
I'm not good. I'm a spot.
That God—let me see—that God wants to manifest his kingdom on earth through mankind. And he sent Christ to declare that message, to live it in our sight, to die and rise again victorious over the grave so that we can come to him in faith and repentance and enter into that kingdom and have our sins washed away and be made new creatures.
And that new creation is the Kingdom of God manifest, that new creation being sons of God like Jesus, to be co-heirs together with him, to be his little brothers and sisters and followers of him.
Again, Brother Brissot's obedient, love, faith relationship. And so in union with Christ, I think salvation is union with Christ. And so as much as we're in Christ, we're in him and in his kingdom and loving him and obeying him and obeying him because we love him and that life together, that our life together is a manifestation of that kingdom. So that was one thing I did want to mention that I didn't write down is that lived experience as brothers and sisters together is part of that message. So as the world looks on and sees us by your love one for another, they will know you're my disciples.
But also John 17, "Father, make them one that the world would know that you sent me." So that unified love together is a manifestation of God ruling in us together. That's a fantastic thought. Yeah. I really appreciate that. And the exciting thing about this Kingdom of God on earth, this present kingdom, is what that does, it goes from a me and Jesus to beginning to use plural pronouns like our and us. And that's what to me is so powerful. The Russian molokhans don't really speak of salvation as I heard you talking.
They're not talking about getting saved. But then you move over into the Protestant world, even sadly to the Anabaptist world now, it's been so influenced with this idea of this me and Jesus idea. But this Kingdom of God on earth, it just transforms how you think. And thank you for sharing that. So I'm going to open it up. This will be first here. It's not—I do want to say one thing real quick. Amongst the molokhans, one of my children was just asking me, "Papa, do you think there's any molokhans that are saved?" And I have to say, I think there are.
And I just wanted to let you know it's fairly diverse amongst them, but it seems like there are a small number who really know the Lord. I just wanted to be honest there. Sure. All right. Yeah. Thanks for sharing that. Yeah. Thank you.
Thank you for sharing this morning. I'm going to butt in here right quick here. A couple of things. I enjoyed your story. I loved to see a man come to the Lord. That's exciting.
So I'm leaving here in 40 minutes to go to spend three weeks of Bible school teaching. And my one class is pilgrim living. And the kingdom is central to that class. And not to diss our Anabaptist people, but the vision of young people—okay, using the word diss isn't right. But each of us has a journey to make where we have to wrestle with and learn what it is to surrender our lives to God. And even you at age 28, I just find this fascinating. A man who's seeking the Lord, who's trying to do what's the right thing, and he's reading and whatever, he has to come to that place where he plugs in and he gets it.
And that's what each of us has to do is just to get it. And it's not just the getting saved thing.
I mean, there is the experience of the born-again experience, but it's not just that. Yeah. So I just have this burden for three weeks boiling up in me, and you just kind of put that all together. And then the other fun thing about this conversation was the context of, as I mentioned earlier, so you're in the Northwest. And I grew up there. I have roots there.
Yeah. It just put all—it was a good morning for me. So God bless you. I'm going to click off now and go on my way. But God bless you and your work there. Thank you. Blessings, Tony.
All right. Who's next here?
Well, Brother Micah, I really enjoyed sharing your testimony here. I was looking forward to it. Like you mentioned, we got to meet briefly in State College. I think most of the time that we spent together was somewhat in the cold waters of Spring Creek in State College.
Bunch of boys playing in the water too, and some big boys. Anyhow, God bless your jumping into the work there in Portland. And yeah, God bless you as you look to him for leading. And I love your vision too for connectedness and the connections in Kingdom, Jesus-following churches. I think we need to explore that some more.
Yeah. So yeah, Brother Micah, I really enjoyed your talk this morning. And I feel like I know you a lot better now. I know your story. And I really appreciate getting to know the backstory of where you come from and your vision for the future. So thank you for sharing that.
Yeah. Thank you, Micah, for sharing. It was very fascinating. One quick question. So you mentioned how early on in your life, in your teen years, you had this passion for being zealous in the faith as it was taught to you.
Any thoughts on how to develop that in an oncoming generation to be zealous and not just blasé about life?
Oh, I've got three teenagers and a bunch of little ones. And I think about that often. And I hope I'm on the right track. But one thing I think about is just living on fire for God myself, and they're going to believe it.
And together, a spouse is together. I think that's pretty important is that as my wife and I lose our lives for Christ, that that's an important thing for them to be able to really believe us. I mean, they know us. I don't know how to do it for others outside of our family. I guess maybe it's the same answer. But that's just the first thought that comes to my mind is that they can look ahead and they can have heroes.
Our children want heroes.
The world puts heroes out there for them. But I mean, boys want their dad, their papa to be their hero, and girls want their mother to be their heroes. But they'll look for others too. And I think pointing them to others who are losing their lives for the gospel as well as each other, as well as ourselves, I think that's pretty important. And you can read books and heroes and stuff. But I think a lived example, that's my thought.
How about you? You got any ideas? No, I appreciate those thoughts. And so Jesus says in the Sermon on the Mount, "Blessed are those who hunger and thirst after righteousness." And I think it's really encouraging for me to see when people are hungering and thirsting for righteousness and not pushed into this or anything. You know what I mean? When it comes from the inside, from this deep hunger and thirst.
So yeah, I just was encouraged by hearing and seeing that in your testimony. So yeah, many blessings on you. Thank you. Hey, John coming in here from Southern Ohio. This is the first time I speak on here. I've been on this Strength to Strength multiple times last few Saturday mornings.
I find it very encouraging in my faith and my walk with Jesus.
To piggyback on your question, Glenn, that's also probably my most—there is no other passion, I think, that I have as a daddy that's more burning daily than that. How do I transmit my passion for Jesus that I should have to my children? You probably saw my nine-year-old son in the background here. And I find it very interesting that he was listening to your story, Micah, and then he went over here and got the martyr's mirror and started looking through the martyr's mirror. So that tells me he caught it. But we live in a—we're part of a church here that we really feel that the brothers understand each other, but yet there is an underlying love for the world that I struggle with.
Trucks, making money. Us Anabaptist people are excellent in making lots of money. And I was really challenged with your—I know I'm a little all over the map here, but I was really challenged with what you had to do, what you were supposed to do in your homework in Sattler College is a half hour a week talking to somebody that is not a believer about your faith in Jesus, which is something us as people, Mennonite people as a whole, we tend to struggle with. So all of this put together in a nutshell, this talk this morning has been very, very encouraging for us. And I want to transmit what I'm feeling burning in my chest for the kingdom of God to my children.
And I'm just convicted sitting here this morning that it starts right here in my life as their daddy. And one thing I have experienced is if the children know that daddy is not going to hide anything in his moral life or in my frustrations with the family, and we work through things together. And I'm a daddy that can be approached at any given time. Number one, the children are going to see through their daddy one way or another. They're going to do it. And if daddy is open about it on his own, that does more, in my experience, to bring us on the same page than anything else. So yes, any tips, Micah, about how to transmit that to our children?
Bring it on. I'm 39 years old, and I'm a man that has needs. I want to be my children's hero. That's my bottom line. Amen.
Yeah. I was just thinking about the importance of others. We're the biggest influence on our children. They're going to believe things about God based on us. There's psychological things and whatever. But they're going to really believe what they see in our lives. I know it. But I also know that a secondary thing to that is others around who are losing their lives for the gospel.
If everybody around us is just lukewarm, and I mean, I'm not going to thrive, and my children are going to go, "Oh, hey, we can either not have enough of all of this stuff because look at Papa. He doesn't spend 60 hours a week earning dollars, but this guy does. Look at that cool truck." And that's my thought is that they're going to pick up stuff around us as well as from us.
Plus all the basic—I mean, I love Brother Danny's Godly Home series. Just marriage is solid, not being hypocrites, being able to apologize to our children, all those really good basic things. But I'm more like going on from there, adding to that. And good relationships. Relationships are solid with our children.
So yeah, basically, that's sort of where we find ourselves as a family is we have a brotherhood that we love. And I know they love—I mean, it's a loving brotherhood. But it's sort of confusing currently for some of my children because some of the things that they see happening in the church, daddy would never allow. And yet I talk of these daddies as being men of God, and they can't really figure out two plus two does not end up being four. And yet so we're on a journey is basically what we're saying. Yeah.
Well, may the Lord give you the desires of your heart, Brother John.
Thank you. Thank you.
Okay. Yeah. Amen. Any other questions here? We're at 7:30 already. We need to let Micah go back to sleep. So we should wrap this up here pretty soon. I don't know if I can do that. I'm all jazzed up now.
Yeah. Amen.
Okay. Wonderful. I love Patrick, your nine points right here. That's some good stuff. Wow. Love it. Thank you for sharing that. Patrick has been—he was the inspiration for Strength to Strength. And I really, really appreciate your influence here, Patrick. Thanks for being part of this and influencing this. You're a blessing in the kingdom.
All right. Well, we better wrap this up. So again, Micah, thank you for coming on here. Such a blessing to have you share and challenge us here at the sunset of 2022. And may this be fuel for the journey as we travel into 2023 and see what God has for us.
Micah, could you just close this in prayer here? Sure. Sure. Heavenly Father, we bless you. We love you. Thank you, Father, for this exercise of being able to go through my story, which is your story of laying hold of me. And I think of that quote, "Our hearts are restless until they find their rest in you." And it's so true. Thank you for so great salvation, for saving my soul and making me your son, and for giving me brothers and sisters and houses and lands a hundredfold in this life, Father, and eternal life. So I pray that this story of your hand in my life could be a blessing to others. I pray, Lord, that you would build us together with zeal and humility and boldness, and that Christ would be formed in us individually, in our marriages, in our families, in our churches, Lord, that Christ would be formed in our churches and in our connection, Lord, more broadly.
Father, help us to be well connected, Father, so that the world, by our love, would know that we're your disciples. And by us being one, that the world would know, Father, that you sent the Lord Jesus. Bless us, Father, with more of your presence, more of your Spirit as we go.
In Jesus' name. Amen. Amen.
Okay. Well, Lord willing, we're going to meet back here in two weeks for a really important talk to kick off the new year. And the title of that talk is going to be The New Humanity by John Dee. And here's the description here. God created a perfect humanity.
All of us still carry the ideals of that humanity in our hearts. But attempts to fulfill those ideals in a fallen world usually end up in disillusionment. Have these ideals been left to mock fallen men? Or has God given us a way for their genuine fulfillment? So join us back here in two weeks to hear this rallying call to be part of that new humanity right here and right now in our day, in our generation, which is very, very needed. And Micah, you challenged us along that line this morning. And may God's kingdom come, may his will be done on earth as it is in heaven. And God bless you, brothers, today. And we'll talk soon.
Grace peace. A man sharpens iron, so a man sharpens the countenance of his friend.