Announcing Caleb Summit 2026

I'm my name is Hector, and I go to church here in State College with Bryant, actually. Um, and I have a wife and six children. Bryant Martin, State College, Pennsylvania. We have seven children, and I go to church with Hector, Followers of Jesus Congregation.

And my name is Anthony Whitmer, and I live in Richmond with my wife and children, and we are a part of a church there that is connected to Followers of the Way in Boston.

So let's talk a little bit about Caleb Summit, what Caleb Summit is not. Um, let's just we'll start out just thinking about what Caleb Summit is not. So what's Caleb Summit not to you? To me? Um, Caleb Summit is not a place to come and to retreat, necessarily. It's a place to come and press into advancing the Church of Jesus Christ, His kingdom, His nation on earth.

I would echo some of the same thing. It is not a retreat, especially as I think about when you live in the city and you want to come to a retreat, you want time off. This is not necessarily a relaxing, refreshing time in the backwoods of Pennsylvania, but in the middle of the city, because we want to advance the kingdom of Jesus there. I also think it's not a defensive-type meeting where we're focusing on problems maybe that men have and how to overcome them. Not that that won't be any mentioned at all, but more, more an offensive type of how can we gain ground from the enemy. And maybe our maybe our venue has is intentional, right?

It is. Because it's really funny, because you said, like, when we were talking about this, you and I were talking about this a couple of years ago, um, my idea was to have this in a farmer's field somewhere, you know, where we could build a bonfire and get a bunch of guys together and. I almost forgot about that. And. Okay. That was a wild idea. And then Bryant's like, "No, we should we should do this in a city where we could actually get people to, to into the city." Totally forgot about that conversation.

Mm-hmm. And so what's, like, what is the point of what's the point of going in a city, and what is the, like, what is the need we're trying to address? Like, why are we why are we doing a Caleb Summit?

Sure. Well, um, so I think about how so many men today, rather than striving to build the city of God, are just are just building sand castles in the sandbox. You know, and you can put whatever you want in that in that in that space or that idea. Um, there's temptations for me to get caught up in business, um, get caught up in just the perfect world, the American dream. Um, you know, there's so many idols that take away, um, that, that passion for God's kingdom. And so we want to, um, see Caleb Summit be that place where we're inspiring ourselves and others to destroy those idols and press into seeing God's kingdom come to building His city.

And so what are some of those you're talking about castles, sand castles. Like, what are you thinking about? You weren't supposed to ask that question.

Well, when I think about, um, maybe, um. And there's so much we can build that doesn't matter. Yeah. That's right. You know, it can be it can be making that, that, that lane longer. You know, we're in a time in the world where there's it's a scary place to live. Uh, there's many, many enemies, if you will, against God's people. Um, there's many, many alternative ways of, of, of flourishing. You know, the secular world has their way of human flourishing. We have our way, and so we can tend to retreat, um, and not engage that. But we want to be people. We want to see Caleb Summit being that place that inspires people to step forward, um, to step into that, to advance the bleeding edge of the kingdom.

Being a Caleb, right? I guess that's why that's why we named it Caleb, um, Summit. You know, being that man, 80 years old, looking at the promised land, you know, 40 years ago he'd said, "Let's go." And now, 40 years later, he's saying, "Let's go. Let's conquer it. We can do this." And he's not just happy that he got there. He wants more. Right. That's a great point. Like, wanting more, like, like. Yeah. Continuing to want more. And I think that's what this all about. He doesn't kick he doesn't kick back and say, "I got to retirement and to where I want it to be. I'm going to kick back and enjoy it. No, give me that mountain.

I want I want this part of my inheritance. I'm willing to fight for it." See, it feels like a lot of a lot of men's conferences are around, you know, the internal conquering, which is the first level. Like, anytime you're not you're not conquering anything unless you've conquered yourself, because it's just not going to happen.

But then we say, "Oh, we've you know, we've got there." Just like Caleb, you know, they finally got into the promised land, but they were all suppressed to the valleys. They couldn't they couldn't even make it up to the mountains. So, you know, that's where the enemy had them they had the land, theoretically, but they couldn't they couldn't take the mountains. So that's where Caleb comes in. He's like, "It's the next level." Sure. Like, "Let's move up a level." If I could, I would love to kind of tie into a little bit the history of Strength of Strength, which is our parent organization, if you will, of Caleb Summit. Um, you know, six years ago, we were having a meeting every morning at 6:00 a.m.

Um, Patrick Matthews, as we know and a lot of our listeners know, um, was a man who a single man living in Chambersburg, and he felt like because of all the restrictions, uh, he was fighting battles on his own. He's like, "I can't do this. I need community." And so he kicked out some WhatsApp messages one day, said, "Hey, join me tomorrow morning at 6:00 a.m. on Zoom." Put out a Zoom link. And then we started meeting every morning, uh, for the next month or two. I wasn't there every time. Um, but he was, and he was organizing men to come and share. And it became this really community about strengthening men, um, to be faithful, uh, in a time where there was much isolation that was happening.

So that was six years ago. And then kind of out of that came the idea of Strength of Strength, which is what our is what we call, uh, our parent organization, and, uh, which is a beautiful idea taken out of Psalm 84, where it's this idea of these pilgrims sojourning back to Jerusalem, you know, kind of going through a desert land, kind of like Moses, right? Egypt, desert, promised land, and Caleb.

They're journeying, and they're sojourning together is the word that's used there. And together they're being stronger, and they're rising, elevation. They come, you know, come out of the valleys and they see this city on a hill, and they see the temple complex, and it's this idea that we're going to get stronger and stronger together. We're going to get there together. And so kind of that idea, the beginning of Strength of Strength was really all about, um, strengthening each other as men to conquer new territory, to see actually see, uh, more, uh, flourishing communities of Jesus' followers.

So you that Strength of Strength has done a great job of really laying out putting a lot of knowledge out there. But one thing that it's not happening much, a little bit, in a Zoom call, like, we all love Zoom calls, right? Like, how much how much do you actually get to know people? And so I think that's more what Caleb Summit is about. It's like, get these people together, get these men together, and get them all in the same place, establish some camaraderie and some just. Amen. Just have some great times together, pray together, and be together. Sure. Mm-hmm. And lift each other up, right? Right. Like, you know, within the Strength of Strength logo, we have these three these three figures.

And it's supposed to, um, illustrate, you know, Moses, you know, when the Amalekites were attacking them, Moses on the hill praying and Aaron and Hur, you know, lifting up his arms, you know? So it's this idea of together, we're stronger together. And we're not doing it just to just for friendship.

That's part of it, right? But we're doing it to really advance the nation of Jesus into new territory. I was going to add that. It's not just to get together and encourage each other in the battles that we face, but we're not just slaying the dragons that are inside of us, even though those need to be slayed too, but it's about the dragons out there that need to be the world is in bondage to a lot of things, but particularly our enemy. Right. And you bringing up the dragon, which you probably talked about the logo with the dragon there and the sword and the, you know, the building, like. It's a radical-looking logo for nonviolent, peace-loving people.

It is kind of violent. There's a whole story behind that logo. You want to tell this whole story? I was going to say. It comes from Revelation, right? Right. So the verse is, yeah, Revelation 12:17, "So the dragon was furious with the woman and left no and left to wage war against the rest of her offspring." Okay? "Those who keep God's commands and have the testimony about Jesus."

And that's our text verse. But what's really awesome about that chapter, chapter 12 too, is what they talk about earlier, they conquered him by the power of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony. And so Revelation 12 is just packed with these ideas of a church that, in the face of the dragon, in the face of Babylon, are saying, "Our allegiance is with Jesus.

It doesn't matter what. We will move forward." And of course, we see Caleb and Moses and Aaron and Hur, you know, and then we're drawing kind of from that story of how. Into our day today. What are what are our mountains, right?

Yeah, absolutely. And cities are some of the strongholds that where the dragon has deceived the people and has established himself very well to the point where what's really neat about this whole Caleb Summit, Caleb story, the logo, how everything goes together, is that so in the story of Caleb, the chosen people were confined to the valleys. They couldn't they couldn't get to the mountains.

And in today's world, the chosen people are confined to the rural areas. They cannot make it into the urban areas. They don't have the faith. They don't have the courage to make it there. This is allegorically, obviously, not 100%. Okay. You're being very nice there. All right. Go ahead.

So yeah, like, that's kind of Caleb Summit is kind of just is part of our part of our vision for this is to inspire people to city mission. Yeah. To conquer. Not to conquer cities, not with a sword. Yeah. I'm thinking of the quote by Leslie Newbigan. He says, "We're up against principalities and powers." And in that same quote, he talks about the cities, like city city work. There's a unique strongholds there. It's a concentration. And it's not just all the street crime strongholds either. That's right. And really, it's a shadow of or a type of Babylon. Yeah. And people coming together to really advance their own agenda. Yeah. I just listened to a story yesterday about how the ancient people used to fight, and they would when their shields, they would the shield wasn't just for you.

So when you'd go into battle, you'd actually lock shields. So you'd have your shield with the person beside you. Love it. But when army commanders were setting up their setting up their front lines, they put families together. So you were beside your brother and your dad. And so because they knew that you would not like, you would lock your shield with that guy, and you would not like you would not let the enemy through to your father, your brother. It's very interesting. And you knew how to fight with that guy, right? Yeah. You also knew how to fight with that guy. So you had that extra strength that comes from a deep relation.

And I think that's something else that Caleb Summit hopefully will foster is some new friendships, some deep relationships, some of these which I think are really important, some of these natural, if you want to put it that way, natural relationships are just really, really important in establishing the strength. Like, you think of David and Jonathan and, you know, some of those Bible characters that had developed, like, really strong connection with each other. And you just can't do that over Zoom. So a physical meeting really matters.

Yeah. You know, I think of the call that Paul gave to the Corinthian church there here in 1 Corinthians 16:13, you know, "Watch," or you could say, "Be alert. Stand firm in the faith." Okay? So kind of like I kind of feel like it's some of almost like a defensive posture or maybe apologetic posture, like we're defending. Okay? But it continues. And he says, "Be brave," or "Be courageous," as some translations say, and then "Be strong," and then "Let all that you do be done with love." This is verse 14. But it's this idea of courage, of, you know, one translation said, "Men that are all in, men that are willing to go." And that's what the maybe more polemical the polemics of actually taking the fight, not defending this fortress, we're going.

We're conquering that mountain. We're taking new land. We're advancing the bleeding edge of the kingdom. And that's what we want Caleb Summit to be. It's where we are developing that brotherhood, that camaraderie. There's relationships. There's resources that we can take the kingdom Christianity, advance that bleeding edge.

So what is what are some of the things we're going to do at Caleb Summit? What's the focus? We've talked a lot about it, but we have an acronym, RISC.

How did that come into being? What does it stand for? Maybe you should tell us what it is. I keep forgetting.

So RISC is four words: Rooted, Irreproachable, Supernatural, and Kingdom. And. Repeat that again. Rooted. Rooted, Irreproachable, Supernatural, and Kingdom. I want to be part. Rooted is the idea of rooting your faith in historic Christianity. We know there's many different kinds of Christianity today, if you can call it use that term.

They all may have something to offer, but there is a lot of historic Christianity that has been lost. And why do we believe what we believe? Why do we practice what we practice? Where does it come from? Is it just tradition, or is there evidence for historical faith, for any number of practices?

Irreproachable. This one, to me, has the idea of my inner life. Am I disciplined? Can I control myself from how much I eat? But yeah, what I think about just am I one thing I thought of, especially when it comes to men, is what kind of when Dad comes home from work, what kind of atmosphere precedes that? Like, is it everybody excited to see him, or is there a certain air or a tension in the air because of what kind of man he is? So that's just one of many examples I could give. But Supernatural.

Am I availing myself of the power of God?

What about gifts of the Spirit?

Do we know what the Holy Spirit is? Do we are we aware of its power, or is it just something we kind of know is there, but we don't understand? Is it a stranger? Yeah. Yeah. Third Person of Trinity is He a stranger? And with this one, I think especially of prayer and fasting. And one thing I will just add to that is I've heard that one reason a lot of teenagers leave the faith when they go to college is their faith is kind of out there. It's not something that's in here.

And they're not used to praying something and seeing that prayer answered. They don't have that's not a part of their daily lives. And not every prayer is ever always answered. But do our children know? Do I know what it's like to pray for something and to see an answer, a leading of God? Just that's simple.

The kingdom aspect has I'm looking forward to discussing. I think maybe you mentioned it already, but using business as a mission to advance the kingdom of God, going into a city. The mission or professional idea. Correct. Sure. What are the aspects of our trades that we know that we can take and live out in the city?

Do we know what the kingdom of Jesus is, the nation of Jesus?

I have this idea that when we understand what the kingdom of Jesus is, it helps us to understand how we relate to the world around us a whole lot better.

And I'm passionate about that because I think we've lost a lot of that, and it makes a lot of muddy water. And we find ourselves mixing with these kingdoms that are at war with each other in the spiritual world. So do we understand what the kingdom of Jesus is and how to be a part of that? Another thing I thought of with that is, historically, it's been a badge of honor to be in the military of their country. If we are a part of Jesus' nation, what does it mean to be a soldier in His nation?

I'll let that question I'll let that question hang.

But that so that sums up the RISC acronym. And just I touched on some of the topics that we're hoping to discuss. And the other thing that I'm excited about is these aren't just like sitting for an hour listening to somebody talk about prayer and an hour about somebody talking about the kingdom of God.

It's going to be short talks followed by some question and answer, discussion time, hopefully small groups. Prayer time. Prayer time.

It's a fellowship time. Just how to get these ideas out. Not just listening to somebody talk and give us ideas, but actually being able to work together. Sitting around talking with people you know, new friends, whoever, just how to take this back to our churches, our rural home or our urban home. So we're not really looking to we're not really looking to just dump ideas in somebody's head. We actually want people to wrestle with them and internalize them with their, you know, with whoever they come with or, you know, with their group or with other people and actually think about what this means, what this could mean in your life.

Like, what could RISC mean in our lives? And I think the rooted one is especially relevant in today's culture because I hear, like, I hear so many people say, "Yeah, but I just I'm just going to go by the Bible."

So with the rooted, we're going to address that a little bit because Scripture alone is actually not something that it's a false it's actually a false idea because it doesn't you don't have Scripture alone. You never do. So we're just trying to help people understand what they are actually basing their ideas on rather than, you know, we're not. Or maybe the lens by which they're viewing and interpreting Scripture. Correct. It's very. Yeah. Yeah.

Many different people can say Scripture alone, and they all come out differently. Right. Right. It can't be true. There's a lens they're looking through. And I think we need to be honest about that. We're looking through at it through a certain lens. Correct. There are other people who look at it through another lens, and they might not be completely wrong. And that's not what we want to that's not what we want to. But our goal is to be honest about that lens. Correct.

We do plan to have some little more polemical talks, though, particularly focused on kind of the rise of some of your ancient faith traditions, some of their polemics, and exposing some of those. Some of what we see going on in the culture around us. Why are Catholics? Yeah. There's a lot of emphasis on the Catholic Church growing. And I just heard a podcast yesterday or the day before. I was listening to Easter is when people join the Catholic Church. Sure. And this year, there's been a tremendous rise. Why is that?

So discussing some of those. So people are looking for something that's stable and rooted. And as kingdom Christians and Baptist Christians, we can say, "Absolutely. We believe in that too." Like, obviously, we have, you know, the faith once for all delivered to the saints, you know, in the New Testament. But there's also we can do a lot of groundwork for our interpretation, our lens, you know, in the first couple hundred years. And so we plan to explore that in this rooted talk, not only helping us get a better foundation, but also giving us a framework by which we can then engage with those ancient faith people and say, "Hey, wait a minute. Just war? No.

Scripture, early church? No." And help just get a basic framework whereby we can actually defend the faith. Yeah. So what about we didn't talk much about age. Who is this for? Yeah. So actually. You have to have gray hair, right?

No. First of all, what's the age range of us here? Well, I'm 46. Okay. So we're probably. 43. Okay. So we're all three years apart. Are you 40? I am. Okay. Wow. Look at that. Some symmetry going on there.

So, you know, our website says 16 and over, which there's going to be some we kind of discussed we had some internal discussions about that because we first had 18 to 35, and then people were all like, "If I'm over 35, I can't come." And then, "Well, what if I'm under 18? Can I come?" And so we said, "Well, okay. You can come. If you're under 18, you can come if you bring an adult with you or a I shouldn't say an adult, an older man with you. If you don't have an older man that you want to bring along, we will assign somebody for you." So because we want the young guys there. We want to have the young man there.

Yeah. But then it doesn't stop at the other end either. Like, this was just our target age. I mean, I think. But if I'm over 35, I don't have to bring a young person with me? That's right. If you're over 35, you don't actually have to bring a young person with you. You can come by yourself. Well, I think our span of speakers kind of shows who's coming. Age. Our age. Yeah. Span of speaker age. You know, I think we have as low as like 23 currently to way up to almost 80.

Okay. And that almost 80-year-old is bringing the last. So we're going to begin with more of a 45-minute message and then end it kind of with the plenary talks, those two days. And the gentleman bringing the last talk is in his upper 80s, I mean, 70s.

So we, I mean, in the. And this is about Caleb. Right. And Caleb, how old was he? Like, was he 16? I mean. He was 80, I guess. He was 40. He was 40 when they. Yeah. That's right. Was he 40 when the spies. Well, if they were in the wilderness, 40 years. Okay. I didn't research this. No. No. If he was 80 when they were conquering Canaan, 40 years before that, he would have been low 40s. That's some good subtraction there. So. They'd actually been in Canaan for a while when he came to ask about this mountain. So yeah. 35, 45. But at 80, he's still wanting to go take mountains. So if you're 80 and you have a mountain you want to conquer, come.

Yeah. Actually, we would love to have you there. We would love to have you there. And don't let the push-ups scare I mean, like, the push-ups could scare some people off, but the push-ups are about self-discipline, like, and also about camaraderie because when you see. I thought it was about prostrating yourself. Well, it is. Like, when you see everybody around you laying on the floor doing push-ups, you know, it kind of takes away from this very formal it's kind of it's a way to break down interpersonal barriers. And nobody can be higher than anybody else when you're doing a push-up. You're on the floor.

I would definitely be lower than everybody else.

And some people are going to do one, and some people are going to do six, and some people are going to do 100. That's okay. And there's also, you know, if you're of the age where push-ups are no longer something that you can do, that's fine too. Like, we're not going to we're not going to say you. We're not having a competition. Yeah. It's not a competition.

Can I join the walking group? Is there like a walking group or something? There should be yeah. We hope to do some walking in some morning. And again, this is like, what we're after is establish a camaraderie, a level playing field.

We can get together. And we want to pray together too. Like, praying together is something that I'm looking forward to. Like, really, I think we're not trying to make this where we can compartmentalize our lives into a bunch of little, you know, "Okay. We're going to go to church here, and then we're going to go over here and do something else."

You know, we're not going to have like a skydiving group and then a group that goes to pass out tracks necessarily. Okay. They're going to be the same. If we have one, it's going to be the same group. Everyone's going skydiving.

I'm getting distracted. I think there's no skydiving.

Okay. I'm not at this yet.

But yeah, we're going to we want to just establish camaraderie. Love it. And we're hoping to maybe have some practical outreach opportunities. Absolutely. And then there again, like, there's nothing I mean, we can sit around and talk about evangelism all day long, but if we don't actually do it. Right. What's the point? I mean. Or if we can't do it there, maybe you can get connected with somebody who is doing it somewhere, and you can go visit them if you are interested. Like, that's build connection.

Yeah. And we really need to build those connections because I think there's a lot of there's a lot of potential inside the there's a lot of people inside good, stable churches, men that have conquered their inner mountains and that have there's nothing left to conquer. They're almost like David in the time when the kings would go out to war, and they're just at home. And there's like, we want to call those men to the battle. Yeah. They're sitting in Jerusalem. Yeah. Yeah. Like, let's not sit in Jerusalem. Let's get out there. And whether that be I mean, it doesn't have to be a city. It doesn't have to be a foreign country. It can be there's a lot to do.

Sure. It could just be seeing your business in a whole different light and how to steward that. I'm also looking forward to we plan to have vendors there, maybe 12 to 15 different vendors. We'll have Strength to Strength there with our books.

So this could be an opportunity to connect with some other kind of structured ministry or business platforms there as well. And just thinking again about the outreach for urban life, hadn't we talked about possibly giving some time that people can meet the church that's there in Pittsburgh?

Okay. Possibly. That could happen. Or see a little bit their community. Sure. Yeah. Which is really. Not necessarily visit the families, but at least see the community they live in, get an idea, talk with the brothers that are there. Yeah. You know, four years ago, Pittsburgh was a city with no kingdom witness in it.

And now there's a congregation of seven or eight families there. Sure. That could potentially be an opportunity. Yeah. I remember, like, we. Like. You hang up praying over that mountain. Yeah. You and I were actually with that group that went up and just up on that high place there. We prayed over the city and. Almost forgot about that. Yeah. That was really neat. We were exploring there, and which really I should find to go up there with some people and pray over the city. That's a great idea. I mean, the. We should do that. The Lawrence.

What's our convention center that we're renting? The David L. Lawrence. David L. Lawrence Convention Center is right there where the two rivers comes in and makes it Ohio. So it's the Allegheny and the Mongahilia. It's right there. You know, we had no idea praying over that city. We can go up the incline, ride one of the inclines to the top, and there's the city. Sure. Stretch out our hands over it. Conquer that mountain. And the other thing is. Yeah. And we also have that advantage there in the conference center. We have that beautiful top floor there that we're going to be able to hopefully have some prayer there. But we also want to the conference is structured kind of differently in that there's no food except we have one meal.

Is that right? That's right. Thursday evening. That's a Thursday evening meal. So the first evening, there'll be a meal. That's correct. Yeah. The rest of the time, we're going to go out to eat, which I think is going to be really fun because it's going to get some people it's going to get groups of men into different restaurants right there in that downtown area. I think it's going to be one of the big things, like walking to and from with you. There's some nice coffee shops with you too.

Yeah. Yeah. Grab some coffee. Go to the like, actually being kind of integrate into the city instead of, you know, holeing up in a conference room, I think is going to be really going to help set the tone for this conference that we are not people we're not an insular people. We're people that we spread out salt and light to the world around us.

So yeah, I'm really looking forward to I'm really looking forward to that side of the conference. I think it's going to like, we don't we encourage we really encourage fasting. Like, fasting and praying, absolutely. Like, that should be a that should be integral part of your life. Okay. At this meeting. Oh. Not at Caleb Summit? Not at Caleb Summit. I thought you were going to say we're going to fast. We're going to go to Cathay. We're going to fast. No. They were conquering Canaan. I doubt there's a lot of fasting going on. Whenever you're doing your fasting, just. I like that. We encourage fasting, but don't do it at Caleb Summit. We want this to be a time of feasting, a time of joy, a time of camaraderie.

I mean, the feeling we want the feeling to be joy, victory. You might want to increase that menu for Thursday night.

We already got the top one. All right. Feasting. Yeah. Just a time of joy. Just a time of men getting together and really enjoying each other's company and in the presence of God. You're making me want to come to it. Well, good.

You're invited. Sounds good.

So what do we want men to take away from this? Like, when they go home, what do we want them to go home with? What were the four words again? The four words? It's a shame that I don't know them, but.

On our header. Yeah. It's three words. Okay. It's clarity, confidence, courage. Clarity. We can see or we can be we're seeing things in a more clear fashion. The fog has been removed, or we have attempted to remove some fog, which is so important in our world that we can have a clear understanding, especially a kingdom, a crisp kingdom Christian vision is so important for our day.

Confidence, you know, can give us that ability to step forward. And then finally, courage, which. When you. I mean, we just see that all through this book, Men of Courage, and that's what we need.

So that's what men can hopefully. When you come. That's what men will that's what we'll leave with by God's blessing. Yeah. That is what I'm looking forward to. Just ending with courage. Right. Going out, seeing what I've had courage before, but there's times I don't. No kidding. So I'm excited to see just what can come out of it. Yeah. No, I love that. I love that story of. The story of Caleb, you know, he had to be scared. Like, he had to be scared, but that was he allowed his faith in God to overcome his fear, and what he did was right.

So Monday morning, when these guys go home, what's going to be different?

Or Saturday morning or whenever they go home. Like, what is actually going to change in their lives?

They will have a stronger connection either with their local group or connections they made. Just like going to Bible school. If you've went to Bible school as a Mennonite youth, you went with friends, and you made some new friends, and it goes away from that.

But this is hopefully a little bit higher level than Bible school in that it's older people. So everybody's more mature. Nothing against young people, but the overall age is more mature, so it should be stronger. It should be we should have more passion, and we should have just greater clarity. I just when I come back to the concept of two kingdoms, when I can understand that Jesus' nation is as real of a nation as the United States of America, I can understand what it means to be American. It's tangible. It's all around me. Right. But it's very easy to lose that. Yeah. With Jesus' nation because it's not as tangible, and yet it's just as real.

And when I can. It's more real. See the world through those through that lens.

I have something to invite people into. I have a king I want people to follow because he's the best king. And that filters down through the rest of life.

Right. So Monday when people go home, they should be they should have established new friendships. They should have a greater clarity of what the kingdom of God is and what it's about and courage to do something. Courage to seek first the kingdom of God. Yeah. You know, you said four Cs, which we only have three. We've kind of used, but we could add a fourth one, and that's camaraderie. It's that idea of a. Connection. Of a greater community. Yeah. Which really is, you know, we see the Children of Israel, of course. It was very much very communal. They did that together. The idea of. The wrong kind of camaraderie. I can't say that. Camaraderie. Yeah.

And also the thinking too of going from strength to strength there in Psalm 84. That's very much very communal. They were singing. Those pilgrims, they sang together as they traveled, you know, back to Jerusalem for the feast. And so it's that camaraderie idea. And I think to add to that, look, we don't want to bring people here and distance them from their church. Like, bring come as a group. Right. Bring somebody else from your church along. That's a great point. I had the privilege of doing that somewhere else recently, and it was great to go with somebody else from my church.

You don't come back alone with these new ideas. That's a great point. Bring somebody with you from your church. Like, we're not here to start a new something. Like. Correct. We actually want our goal is for men to go back and influence their church communities for the better, not to try to draw I mean, you can always have this thing where everybody tries to come together into a different thing, and that's not our goal. Our goal is to actually spread the salt, encourage men in their own communities, encourage leaders, encourage, you know, men are leaders, whether you're an 18-year-old young man or whether you're an 80-year-old man, to encourage leaders to that. You know, there are 7,000 more prophets of the Lord.

You're not the only one. Yeah. So definitely, yeah, that's a great point.

Okay. Well, you can go to calebsummit.org. We're opening up registration there at the end of April, beginning of May, and we only have seats for 250 people. So we're expecting those to go pretty quickly. So get to our website May 1st and get yourself a seat.

Looking forward to seeing everybody there.