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Question 10
When David discusses Chrysostom, he highlights “not imputing their trespasses,” “he did not require satisfaction,” and a two-phase salvation where initial righteousness is “imputed” at baptism/conversion but must be followed by obedience or salvation can be lost; how does that early-Christian framework confront modern evangelical instincts about “once saved always saved,” “Christ’s righteousness credited permanently,” and the role of obedience in final salvation?
Another way to ask: David says Chrysostom taught that God “did not require satisfaction,” and that baptism/conversion starts salvation but obedience must follow and someone can still fall away. How does that challenge ideas like “once saved always saved,” permanent credit of Christ’s righteousness, and the role of obedience in final salvation?
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David says Chrysostom (and other early Christians) taught free forgiveness and an initial “imputed” righteous standing at conversion/baptism, but also insisted believers must continue in obedience and can forfeit salvation by returning to serious sin—directly challenging “once saved always saved” and the idea of permanent righteousness credited regardless of life. He argues they did not teach modern “heavenly bookkeeping” where Christ’s righteousness is transferred to our account forever.
- Chrysostom on reconciliation: God did it “by forgiving them their sins… not imputing their trespasses,” and “he did not require satisfaction.”
- David says this undermines the penal-satisfaction idea that God “wouldn’t just forgive.”
- On imputed righteousness: Chrysostom and Origen speak of righteousness “imputed… even though we don't have actual righteousness,” especially in the initial phase.
- David explains two phases: initial salvation at “conversion and… baptism” where sins are “washed away” and a “righteous new standing” is given.
- But after that, believers “must live a godly… holy… righteous life,” and if they return to sin “we will lose our salvation”—he says “all the early Christians teach that.”