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Did Baptism only forgive past sins?

Started by Baron Eickhoff
October 27, 2026
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#1
My research indicates that all of the early church fathers believed in baptismal regeneration, but also that baptism only washed the candidate's past sins. Any comments on this?

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#2

I would make two careful distinctions here, because I believe we must approach the testimony of the early Christians with both reverence for the truth and humility concerning the limits of our historical knowledge.

First, we should distinguish between what the Scriptures explicitly state concerning baptism and what the early Christians understood those Scriptures to mean. Second, we should distinguish between the forgiveness of sins received upon entering Christ and the continued forgiveness available to those who, having entered into His kingdom, subsequently stumble and seek His mercy.

I believe there is substantial historical evidence that many, and perhaps the great majority of, early Christian writers understood baptism to be closely connected with the forgiveness of sins and the new birth. We should not dismiss their testimony merely because it challenges our inherited assumptions. At the same time, I would hesitate to say that  all

 the early church fathers held precisely the same understanding, or that they all taught that baptism dealt exclusively with past sins. Those are broader claims than the evidence readily establishes.

1. Did the early Christians believe in baptismal regeneration?

Consider the language of several early Christian writers:

  • Justin Martyr, First Apology 61 (second century), describes the washing associated with conversion and speaks of receiving remission of sins and regeneration.
  • Irenaeus, Against Heresies 3.17.1 (second century), connects baptism with regeneration unto God.
  • Tertullian, On Baptism 12 (early third century), speaks of baptism as the means by which sins are washed away.
  • Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lectures 3.4 (fourth century), discusses baptism in connection with the remission of sins and adoption as God’s children.

These are not isolated references to baptism as a mere public symbol of something that had already occurred. They demonstrate that important early Christian writers attributed genuine spiritual significance to baptism in the conversion of a sinner.

However, we must be precise about our terminology. The expression baptismal regeneration is often used to describe different theological positions. One writer might emphasize God’s action in baptism; another might emphasize the forgiveness received through obedient faith; another might develop a more elaborate sacramental theology. We should examine what each writer actually says rather than assume that the same modern theological system is expressed by them all.

More importantly, our ultimate authority must remain the word of God. The testimony of early Christians is valuable as historical evidence of how the apostolic teaching was understood, but it cannot supersede the apostolic teaching itself.

Consider the plainness of the biblical language:

  • Acts 2:38: Peter commands his hearers to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ unto the remission of their sins.
  • Acts 22:16: Ananias tells Saul to arise, be baptized, and wash away his sins, calling upon the name of the Lord.
  • Romans 6:3–4: Paul describes baptism in terms of entering into Christ’s death and being buried and raised with Him.
  • Galatians 3:27: Those baptized into Christ are described as having put on Christ.
  • 1 Peter 3:21: Peter explicitly connects baptism with salvation, while distinguishing it from the mere removal of bodily dirt and relating it to an appeal to God for a good conscience.

We should not explain away these passages merely because they do not fit a theological system with which we are familiar. Nor should we add to them a theory they do not teach. We should let the inspired testimony establish what baptism means.

2. Did they believe baptism washed away only past sins?

Here I would make an important distinction: the forgiveness of past sins received upon entering Christ is not the same proposition as saying that God provides no forgiveness for sins committed after entering Christ.

Justin Martyr explicitly speaks in First Apology 61 of obtaining remission for sins formerly committed. That is significant evidence for the first part of your observation. But we must be careful not to turn his description of what baptism accomplishes into a claim that subsequent sins cannot be forgiven.

Tertullian’s writings make this distinction particularly interesting. In On Baptism, chapter 15, he speaks of baptism as a washing received once, while warning against returning to sin afterward. Yet he also wrote On Repentance, which addresses repentance as an important Christian responsibility.

The Scriptures themselves establish that Christians who have already been cleansed still need to walk faithfully and seek God’s forgiveness when they fall.

Consider these passages:

  • 1 John 1:7–9: John writes to believers about walking in the light, being cleansed by Christ’s blood, confessing sins, and receiving God’s forgiveness.
  • Acts 8:13, 18–24: Simon believed and was baptized, yet afterward Peter commanded him to repent and pray for forgiveness when his heart was found to be wrong.
  • James 5:16: Christians are instructed to confess their sins to one another and pray for one another.
  • Galatians 6:1: If a man is overtaken in a trespass, spiritual brethren are to restore him in a spirit of meekness.
  • Hebrews 4:14–16: Christians are invited to approach the throne of grace for mercy and timely help.

These passages do not teach that baptism is unnecessary for the initial forgiveness of sins. Neither do they teach that baptism’s once-for-all character makes subsequent repentance and forgiveness impossible.

The question is not whether baptism is received once. It is. The question is whether the Christian’s subsequent relationship with God excludes the forgiveness of sins. The Scriptures plainly do not teach that.

3. Hebrews helps us understand the continuing mediation of Christ.

I believe Hebrews is especially important here, because it helps us distinguish between entering into the blessings of Christ’s kingdom and continuing to depend upon Christ as our mediator.

Hebrews 10:19–22 declares that we have boldness to enter into the holy place by the blood of Jesus, through the new and living way He opened for us. We are therefore invited to draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.

Notice the order and the significance: we have access to God through the blood of Christ, and this access is described in the context of our having been washed and cleansed. We do not approach God as though we had never entered into a relationship with Him. We approach Him as those who have been brought near through Christ.

Hebrews 4:14–16 likewise teaches that, because we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, we should hold fast our confession and draw near to the throne of grace to receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

And Hebrews 7:25 tells us that Christ is able to save completely those who draw near to God through Him, because He ever lives to make intercession for them.

This is a beautiful truth: we have access to the continuing mediation of Christ because, through Him, we have been brought into the covenant relationship in which He serves as our great High Priest. We do not need to be baptized anew every time we sin. Rather, having entered into Christ, we continue to depend upon His priestly ministry, His blood, and the mercy of God as we walk faithfully before Him.

I would qualify this statement in one respect: Hebrews does not present Christ’s mediation as a privilege earned by our past obedience or as an automatic guarantee regardless of our present faithfulness. The same epistle warns Christians against falling away and exhorts them to hold fast their confession. Our access is through Christ, and we must continue in faith and draw near to God through Him.

This also helps us understand why the New Testament can speak both of a decisive cleansing associated with conversion and of continuing cleansing in the Christian life. First John 1:7 says that if we walk in the light, the blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sin. The present Christian life is not one in which we cease to need the blood of Christ; it is one in which we continue to walk in the light of the One whose blood cleanses us.

We should therefore avoid two opposite errors. We must not minimize the significance of baptism in the forgiveness of sins when we enter Christ. Neither should we suggest that the Christian’s subsequent access to divine mercy has been exhausted by that initial washing.

Christ is not merely the means by which we enter the kingdom; He remains our living High Priest, through whom we continue to draw near to God.

4. What, then, should we conclude from the early church fathers?

I would summarize the historical evidence in three propositions.

First: Many prominent early Christian writers understood baptism as an act in which God grants genuine spiritual blessings, including forgiveness and regeneration. This deserves to be acknowledged honestly.

Second: Some early writers explicitly described baptism as dealing with sins committed before conversion. Justin Martyr is a clear example. But we should not assume that every early Christian writer expressed the matter in precisely the same terms.

Third: The claim that baptism washes away past sins must not be confused with the claim that God refuses to forgive Christians who sin afterward. The early Christian evidence itself reflects concern about post-baptismal sin, repentance, and restoration. The New Testament gives us explicit instructions concerning these matters, and Hebrews particularly emphasizes our continuing access to God through our living High Priest.

There is a further historical caution worth mentioning: some early writers developed strong warnings about post-baptismal sin, and their precise views about the conditions and availability of forgiveness differed. We should therefore avoid presenting the fathers as though they all held an identical, fully developed theological system.

5. Our final appeal must be to Scripture.

I would respectfully suggest that the most important question is not whether we can establish complete unanimity among the fathers. It is whether we have understood the apostolic teaching correctly.

If baptism is commanded by Christ, associated by Peter with the remission of sins, and described by Paul as participation in Christ’s death and resurrection, we must not diminish its significance.

If the same apostles teach Christians to confess their sins, repent when they fall, pray for forgiveness, and restore the erring, we must not diminish those instructions either.

And if Hebrews teaches that we have a great High Priest who ever lives to make intercession for us, we must not overlook the continuing provision God has made for those who draw near to Him through Christ.

We must receive all these truths without allowing one to cancel the other.

The blood of Christ is the ground of our forgiveness. Baptism is not an alternative to that blood, nor does the water possess an independent power apart from Christ. Rather, we should understand baptism in the light of the Lord’s own teaching and the apostles’ explanation of how sinners enter into Christ and receive the blessings of His covenant.

Once a person has entered into Christ, the proper response to sin is neither presumption nor despair. It is humble repentance, confession, and renewed faithfulness to the Lord, with confidence in the mercy of God and in the continuing mediation of our great High Priest.

In short:

 I believe your observation has substantial historical merit, but I would qualify it. The early fathers provide considerable evidence for baptism’s connection with regeneration and the remission of past sins. That evidence does not establish that every father held an identical doctrine, nor that forgiveness after baptism was excluded. Hebrews, together with the other New Testament writings, assures us that those who have entered into Christ continue to have access to God through His living mediation, as they hold fast their faith and draw near to Him.

May we have the humility to learn from those who came before us, the discernment to weigh their testimony, and the reverence to submit our conclusions to the inspired word of God.


#3
Hi Baron from I am not sure where you are referencing in the bible but in Matthew 19:28 the Greek word translated as regeneration is παλινγενσια (Strong’s#3824)(palingensia) this consists of two Greek word combined παλιν (Strong’s #3825) commonly translated as “again” And γενσια, this Greek word (gensia) has quite a few related words used in the New Testament. Strong’s does not include an exact definition. The crossrefernced word is γενεσις genesis (1078). And it’s definition is nativity. Okay so from what I understand we are talking about a New Birth. I hope you understand my logic. Also I should mention although I am referencing Strong’s, this is only for your convenience. I personally know Koine Greek quite well.            So let’s move on. Okay, something I want you to consider is whether or not we are born again multiple times throughout our Christian life. Or if we grow as new born babies and mature as we walk with Lord. I hope this benefits you in regards to the Subject of Regeneration. God bless you 
#4
From a practical walk with Jesus perspective, I'm wondering what difference our view of regeneration makes when it comes to forgiveness of sins.
It seems most early church fathers take the view that were receive the Holy Spirit at baptism and forgiveness of past sins only, whereas modern evangelicals would say we receive the Holy Spirit at conversion with forgiveness of past and future sins.  BUT if all followers of Jesus ask forgiveness for their post-baptismal or post-conversion sins (which most do), what difference does it really make whether baptism just washes away past sins or whether conversion washes away past and future sins?  

#5
Brother what baptism does and does not do, is in my opinion, a minor issue. 
The big issue, is whether our forgiveness (Strong’s G859 άφεσις (aphelia) definition: freedom, (fig) pardon:- commonly translated (deliverance, forgiveness, liberty, remission)..    Or Regeneration.  Happens, to be unconditional, no going back, live as you please. Or whether we can lose our Salvation. Jesus said if we do not forgive each other neither will God forgive us. I believe, I could list many other scriptures to show that our Salvation is indeed conditional upon whether or not we obey God or rebel against him. But I do not believe that is necessary. I trust we are on the same page. Something else I should say, I am only sharing my thoughts. Study and see for yourself. Be a Berean my friend. Correct me if I am wrong. God bless you 
#6
A. It may help to consider fidelity to Christ the thread that holds the whole matter together.
Jesus says, “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me” (John 10:27, ASV). Notice the relational language: they hear Him, He knows them, and they follow Him. The Christian life is not merely assenting to a proposition about what happened to us at some point in the past; it is hearing and faithfully responding to the Lord who has called us to Himself.
If He says, “Repent, and be baptized … unto the remission of your sins” (Acts 2:38), fidelity means we take Him at His word and respond accordingly. If He says, “Abide in me” (John 15:4), fidelity means we continue in Him. If He says, “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous to forgive us” (1 John 1:9), fidelity means we confess our sins rather than presume upon His mercy or despair of receiving it.
The question is not whether we can construct a system in which forgiveness becomes mechanically guaranteed regardless of our response to Christ. The question is whether we will trust His promises, obey His instructions, and remain faithful to Him.
And we must be careful here: fidelity does not mean that we earn His love through flawless performance. We stumble, we repent, we receive mercy, and we continue walking in the light. Our hope rests in His faithfulness, not our sinlessness.
If the Lord tells us to do something for a reason, we have no warrant to discard either His instruction or His stated reason simply because we have devised another explanation that seems sufficient to us. We should instead ask what He has actually said, believe Him, and respond with the trust and obedience that love requires.
That brings us back to the original question. Does our understanding of regeneration matter? Yes, because it affects whether we faithfully accept what Christ and His apostles teach about entering into Him. Does our understanding of ongoing forgiveness matter? Yes, because it affects whether we faithfully respond to His teaching about repentance, confession, and abiding in Him.
But neither question should distract us from the heart of the matter: we are called to belong to Christ and remain faithful to Him.
As Jesus says:
“If ye love me, ye will keep my commandments.” (John 14:15, ASV)
That is not a cold mechanism. It is the fidelity of love.

B. I believe this brings the whole matter into focus: the goal of our Lord's instruction is love, proceeding from a pure heart, a good conscience, and faith unfeigned (1 Timothy 1:5).
God does not give commandments merely to establish a system of religious procedures. He teaches us how to live in the truth, how to love what is good, how to turn away from what destroys us, and how to participate in the life for which He created and redeemed us.
John writes:
“For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. For whatsoever is begotten of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that hath overcome the world, even our faith.” (1 John 5:3–4, ASV)
Notice the beautiful unity of these truths. Love leads us to keep God's commandments; those begotten of God overcome the world; and faith is the victory by which we overcome it. These are not competing ideas. They belong together in the life of a disciple.
Our Lord desires that we overcome the world because He desires our good. Jesus says that He came that we might have life and have it abundantly (John 10:10). He does not call us away from sin to deprive us of some good thing. He calls us away from what enslaves and destroys us so that we may receive what is truly good.
And this brings us to the matter of loving our neighbor as ourselves.
We must love our neighbor as ourselves (Matthew 22:39). But rightly loving ourselves does not mean indulging every appetite, satisfying every desire, or treating our immediate comfort as our highest good. It means willing and seeking what is genuinely good for ourselves according to God's wisdom.
To love ourselves rightly is to seek for ourselves what God seeks for us.
God seeks our reconciliation to Himself, our freedom from sin, our growth in holiness, our participation in His life, and our final salvation. Therefore, to love ourselves rightly is to seek these things rather than settle for pleasures that diminish us or desires that lead us away from Him.
And when we begin to understand what is truly good for ourselves, we are better equipped to seek what is truly good for our neighbor. We will not merely help him obtain what he wants; we will desire his genuine good before God. We will speak truthfully, act mercifully, correct patiently, forgive generously, and encourage him toward the same life of freedom and faithfulness that we seek for ourselves.
This also illuminates our discussion of baptism, regeneration, and forgiveness. God's instructions are not arbitrary hurdles placed between us and His love. They are expressions of His wisdom, directing us into the life He desires to give us. We obey because we trust Him. We repent because we desire what is good. We confess our sins because we want to walk in the light rather than remain in darkness. We abide in Christ because apart from Him we can do nothing (John 15:5).
The Christian life, then, is neither a mechanical transaction nor an attempt to earn God's favor through flawless performance. It is a life of faith working through love (Galatians 5:6), in which we receive God's grace, trust His wisdom, obey His voice, and continue seeking the good He has promised.
God's commandments teach us how to love; His grace enables us to return when we fail; and His promises give us hope as we persevere. The end toward which He leads us is not merely the avoidance of punishment, but the abundant life of fellowship with Him—a life in which we increasingly love God, rightly love ourselves, and sincerely seek the good of our neighbors.

C. The danger in treating baptism as a one-time forgiveness of all future sins is not that Christ's sacrifice is insufficient, nor that His grace is anything less than abundant. The danger is that we may confuse the sufficiency of Christ's provision with an unconditional guarantee that makes our subsequent fidelity to Him immaterial.
The distinction matters for several reasons.
1. It risks making explicit conditions of Scripture seem unnecessary.
John writes:
“If we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” (1 John 1:9, ASV)
If every future sin is already unconditionally forgiven by virtue of our initial baptism, irrespective of subsequent repentance, what practical necessity remains for the condition John expressly states? We must not make the apostle's words redundant by importing a premise that the passage does not establish.
2. It risks separating forgiveness from the relationship in which forgiveness is enjoyed.
Jesus says:
“Abide in me, and I in you.” (John 15:4, ASV)
He does not describe our relationship with Him as a mechanical arrangement that renders our subsequent response immaterial. He calls us to abide in Him, keep His commandments, and bear fruit. The question is not merely whether we once entered Christ, but whether we continue to walk faithfully with Him.
3. It risks confusing the sufficiency of Christ's sacrifice with unconditional forgiveness of every future offense.
Christ offered Himself once for all (Hebrews 10:10–14). His sacrifice does not need repeating whenever we sin. But the fact that His sacrifice is sufficient for every sin does not prove that every future sin is unconditionally forgiven before it is committed, regardless of repentance or continued faithfulness. Sufficiency of provision and the conditions of receiving forgiveness are different questions.
4. It risks weakening the necessity of repentance.
Paul asks:
“Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid.” (Romans 6:1–2, ASV)
If we understand our initial forgiveness to guarantee the unconditional forgiveness of every subsequent sin, we risk weakening the very urgency with which Scripture calls us to turn from sin. Grace does not make repentance unnecessary; grace teaches us to renounce ungodliness and live righteously (Titus 2:11–14).
5. It risks obscuring the purpose of God's commandments.
The goal of God's instruction is love proceeding from a pure heart, a good conscience, and faith unfeigned (1 Timothy 1:5). His commandments are not arbitrary requirements for maintaining a “religious checking account”. They teach us how to love God and neighbor, overcome the world, and walk in the abundant life Christ came to give us (1 John 5:1–5; John 10:10).
If forgiveness is understood mechanically, we risk treating obedience as secondary to a transaction already completed. But Jesus says, “If ye love me, ye will keep my commandments” (John 14:15). Fidelity is the response of love.
6. It risks giving false assurance to the unrepentant and unnecessary fear to the repentant.
We must distinguish a disciple who stumbles, grieves over his sin, confesses it, and seeks the Lord's help from one who deliberately makes peace with unrighteousness. First John offers hope to the former without giving the latter permission to presume upon grace (1 John 1:7–2:2).
The repentant Christian need not despair as though Christ's sacrifice has failed. But neither should an unrepentant person be assured that a past baptism makes his present rebellion inconsequential.
The underlying premises that must be examined
The claim that baptism unconditionally forgives all future sins depends upon assumptions that must not simply be taken for granted:
That the forgiveness granted at entrance into Christ necessarily includes the unconditional forgiveness of every future offense.
That the sufficiency of Christ's sacrifice means every future sin is forgiven regardless of the sinner's subsequent response.
That the conditions of confession, repentance, and abiding in Christ do not govern the Christian's continuing enjoyment of divine forgiveness.
That a past act of obedience can guarantee the outcome irrespective of the person's subsequent relationship with the Lord.
None of these conclusions follows automatically from the fact that Christ's sacrifice is sufficient or that baptism brings remission of sins.
We should also be fair: many evangelicals who speak of forgiveness of past and future sins do not mean that future sins are forgiven irrespective of repentance, nor that a Christian may abandon Christ without consequence. The criticism applies to the unconditional proposition, not indiscriminately to everyone who uses that terminology.
The central issue is fidelity. His sheep hear His voice and follow Him (John 10:27). We must take seriously both His promise to forgive and His instruction concerning how His people are to walk.
Baptism is not a mechanism that renders our subsequent relationship with Christ immaterial. It belongs to God's gracious invitation into Christ. And the life into which He calls us is a life of abiding, repentance, love, and faithful obedience.
We must neither diminish the sufficiency of His sacrifice nor use that sufficiency to diminish the force of His words.



#7
Wow, you are definitely gifted in putting your thoughts together, and you are so spot on in many areas.  Based on your response I think you would really appreciate the gospel tract I recently released and you can see it on the home page of areyoufollowingjesus.com.  Would love to have your feedback. If you want me to mail you some I would be happy to do so.  Thank you for the effort you put into your response.
#8
Does anyone have any thoughts as to why/how the simplicity of the gospel got so muddied/muddled?
I've heard that the emphasis on systematic theology was developed to unify the household of Christ and protect it against heresy, but it doesn't seem like it took long for systematic theology to deeply divide the household of Christ, even to the point that some advocated torture, imprisonment, and even execution of those brothers and sisters in Christ who didn't submit to the systematic theology of day.

Repent, be baptized for the forgiveness of sins, and receive the Holy Spirit, by which you are joined to the household of Christ submitting to Christ's authority in your life doesn't seem like a complicated message.  I don't mean to sound trite, but I think the old saying, "Jesus didn't come to start a new religion but a new relationship" is quite true.

How could such a beautiful gospel, with the mission of being a blessing to all nations turn into such a battleground?
Thoughts?
#9
Hey here a one thought I have. Personally see major issues and minor issues addressed in the New Testament. In other words there are subjects the Apostles spent a lot of time focusing on. And there are other issues they only briefly addressed. I am not trying to say those minor issues did not matter. But there were bigger fish to catch. And that is simply my opinion, take it as a grain of salt if you disagree. I shall humbly continue my thoughts. In our Churches today we have so many denominations it is mind boggling. From what I understand there has been great diversity regarding, what issues actually caused the splits. In my eyes there has been a mixture of major and minor issues. Regarding major and minor issues I shall clarify my thoughts a little. If any issue was only addressed one time in the New Testament with a few short verses I call this a Minor issue. I shall not currently mention what these issues are, just give it some thought. If issues were addressed time and again in nearly every book of the New Testament, I call these Major issues. Alright that was two thousand years ago. Times have changed. No, I still believe what the Church truly needs to hear are the Major issues. I will mention a hand full. Faith in God. Victory over Sin. Prayer. Complete Surrender. Death to the flesh. Being made alive by the Spirit.       Ok what about the minor, now I shall address a few, the Head Covering, your Clothing, the food you eat, whether you worship on Saturday or on Sunday. I could name more, I am pretty sure you guys could help me.     Do these issues matter. Sure they do. If they did not matter the Apostle would not have even took the time to address them. I am struggling with my words right now. When I use my cast net to go fishing I love catching minnows but should I catch a larger fish, I am not concerned about the minnows. Personally I love spending time studying every square inch of the New Testament meditating on every single word, that is exactly what I do when I study the Greek or Hebrew text alongside my English bible. And I at times come to some pretty solid opinions on the minor issues. But brother, these are minor issues. Whether a sister wear a head covering or not, is not an issue I want to get all bent out of shape over. What matters to me, is if the Famliy Structure is upheld. Is the husband under Christ? Is the wife under her husband? Have the children learned to obey?    And I am sorry if I am stepping on anyone’s toes. I want to clarify I fully support the tradition of the woman covering her head. But if I get all bent out of shape over this issue, who am I supposed to fellowship with other than conservatives anabaptist and maybe some Catholic nuns. Perhaps a few snake handling Pentecostals. In America that’s about it. There is not a single woman in my entire Famliy who even wears a head covering aside from my dear mother, when she occasionally visits the Anabaptist Church were I attend. She only wears it then, because she is worried what other people at my church will think of her. So in summary here my thoughts, when two wonderful Christians turn a minor issue into a major issue, is when two wonderful churches, that almost see eye to eye on the entire New Testament, sadly split apart, and almost practically lose all fellowship. Jesus wanted his church to be one with each other. He wanted us to get along with each other. He said “all men will know you are my disciples, by your love for one another.” Dear Baron I am not sure I fully addressed what you had in mind. But just think about. I would love your feedback. Remember these are simply my thoughts. God bless you all.
#10
Why and How do men pervert the Gospel?

It looks like this: “Ye shall not surely die” (Genesis 3:4, ASV).

It looks like an assertion divorced from any real logical foundation. It is purely rhetoric masquerading as sound and valid wisdom. The serpent contradicted God's explicit warning (Genesis 2:16–17; 3:4), appealing to desire while casting doubt upon the goodness and truthfulness of God's word (Genesis 3:5–6).

It happens again and again (2 Corinthians 11:3; 2 Timothy 4:3–4).

All things from God, the fountain of eternal life, are for our good and benefit (Psalm 16:11; 34:8; James 1:17; 2 Peter 1:3–4). To pervert any of His ways and designs is an evil, for His commandments are given for our good always (Deuteronomy 6:24; 10:12–13), and His ways are righteous and true (Psalm 19:7–11; Romans 7:12).

The point of all His ordinances is active love of God and of fellow man (Matthew 22:37–40; Romans 13:8–10; 1 Timothy 1:5, 1 John 5:1-3). The perversion of them robs us of the good He intends for us: the things God has “prepared for them that love him” (1 Corinthians 2:9), namely the “good works, which God afore prepared that we should walk in them” (Ephesians 2:10, ASV).

Indeed, the commandments of God are not arbitrary obstacles to human flourishing; they teach us how to walk in the life and love for which we were created (Deuteronomy 30:15–20; John 10:10; 1 John 5:3). To contradict His word is therefore not merely to violate a rule, but to turn away from the very good that His wisdom provides. All who hate wisdom, He says, love death.

Nathaniel is so very correct. As he mentioned, Christ said “all men will know you are my disciples, by your love for one another.”

As Nathaniel alludes to, we must allow room for the growth of Christian love in churches and individuals over time, rather than being too ready to decry the perceived deficiencies of others — which growth is the explicit prayer of Paul regarding the Philippians: He prays that their love “ may abound still more and more in real knowledge and all discernment, 10so that you may approve the things that are excellent, in order to be sincere and blameless until the day of Christ; 11having been filled with the fruit of righteousness which comes through Jesus Christ, to the glory and praise of God.”
#11
Sins forgiven in advance would be a license to sin.
#12
I say amen. And As I said before every square inch of the New Testament matters. And I would include the Old Testament with the Two Covenants in mind. The issue I made about Minor and Major issues are in fact a minor issue in and of itself. Jesus said “ Whosoever therefore shall break one of the least of these commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, he shall be great in the kingdom of Heaven. For I say unto you, that unless your righteousness exceed the righteous of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall in no wise enter into the kingdom of heaven.” Matthew ch5:19-20 quoting from the 1901 ASV. John I see you quote from it as well. How precious, an essentially word for word translation in the public domain. I have been so blessed since I discovered it a year or so ago. Anyways, God bless you all.
#13
You may wonder how I reconcile compelling others to keep the entirety of Christ’s teachings, while recognizing Major and Minor issues. My time on earth is but a vapor. What do I want to leave behind when I am in my grave? I’d rather leave an impact on the hearts of my friends and family rather than their outward appearance if I had to make the decision between the two options.
#14
  • So what about the mysterious work of the Holy Spirit in baptism or afterwards?
  • Easter Sunday (John 20:22): Jesus appeared to the disciples after His resurrection, breathed on them, and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit", then He came upon them.
The Day of Pentecost (Acts 2:1–4): Fifty days after the resurrection, the Holy Spirit descended publicly with a sound like a rushing wind and tongues of fire, filling the disciples and empowering them to preach boldlyPeter preached that if they would repent and be baptized for the forgiveness of sins that they would receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.  But . . . Peter didn't say it would be immediate.  The Samaritans apparently repented and were baptized and did not recieve the Holy Spirit until hands were laid on them. (How did they know they hadn't received the Holy Spirit? Was it because they didn't speak in tongues?)Peter preached to Cornelius and the Gentiles and didn't forbid baptism to them because they had received the Holy Spirit. (Apparently he knew this because they were glorifying God in other tongues?)Some groups say we receive the Holy Spirit at baptism but that doesn't seem consistent with some scripture.Some groups say we receive the Holy Spirit upon repentance and conversion but that doesn't seem consistent with some scripture.I can accept the fact that the Holy Spirit can be breathed into people, can 'fall' on people, can be received through repentance, can arrive whenever He wants, and fall on whoever He wants.  BUT . . . it is stressed that it is important that we receive the Holy Spirit.
The presence of the Holy Spirit is evident in the life of a Christ follower by our faith and fruit, especially our Christ-like love.  But . . . when exactly can we say He begins His work?  Or is it not important?

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