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Individualism and Collectivism

Started by Nathanael Dickens
August 27, 2026
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#1
I personally spend a lot of time seeking God and studying the Scripture though out the week to refresh myself daily in the Lord. I go to church to reach out and be a witness for Jesus. I lean pretty strongly towards Individualism in my relationship with God. From what I am aware other Christians lean pretty strongly in the direction of Collectivism in regards to their relationship with God. It seems they have very little time to study and pray throughout the week. But they put a lot of Faith in the thoughts and decisions of the Brotherhood. They go to Church seeking nourishment. They have a lot of confidence in what is shared over the pulpit. I realize there can be a healthy in between. What are your thoughts?

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#2
I grew up in a church that had a devotional and main message and prayers on Sunday. No mid week meetings or Sunday school etc. The church I attend now has Sunday School and Mid week prayer Meeting. I like this approach as it helps me to take time to pray and study with a body of believers who can support,encourage each other to press onward in the faith and help me see any errors in my thinking. Proverbs 27:17 KJVIron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend. There is great merrit in seeking God will in prayer yet trying to do this alone seems like a more dangerous proposition then having friends to walk with you. Does that help your question? Or did I miss it completely? Also the church I grew up in depended on the head of the home to lead his family in devotions on a daily routine. The fellowship style of church I now attend has many helps in place to come alongside the head of the home to the point you have a more church focused relationship as opposed to a more family focused church. The church focus is busier but gives me the support I need to actually get at studying the word. Blessings!
#3
Also a large church with stronger rules for uniformity can cause people to have a knowledge taught them without ever having studied why they believe this way. Great for a new Christian to start but not ideal if you're older and should study out what you believe.
#4
Hi Brent, thanks for sharing I am glad to hear that you find your church spiritually up building. And I think the more fellowship, the better. It’s just for me I was not finding what I needed from my Church Brotherhood. Many times I have came home on a Sunday afternoon very discouraged and let down. So I just began making a habit of spending much more time studying my bible and praying throughout the week. I began to find what my Soul longed for, a deeper communion with God. I actually began studying my English bible alongside the Greek New Testament and Hebrew bible. I find it very fulfilling. If a brotherhood fellowship encourages a deep personal relationship with God I am in full support, but if an individual personal relationship with God is replaced by the brotherhood as I described in my initial post, I am very grieved. I hope you at least understand where I am coming from, and Thanks again God bless you as well
#5
I think we should look at the lives of the prophets, Jesus, and the apostles for answers on this. Plenty of the OT prophets had a hard experience with the faith community that was supposed to obey God's commandments (the Israelites) and treat the prophets with love and kindness. Instead of sweet fellowship with the people of God, they were often persecuted, in some cases even put to death. On the other hand, there were also times of wonderful fellowship with believers. Jesus himself went out in the wilderness to fast for 40 days, and to prepare for the ministry. He also was very much engaged with the crowds and ministering one on one to people. I don't think there is a need for any balance, only to recognize there are seasons in life that sometimes require we retreat alone with God. As for being alone with God, that should be a constant in daily prayers, regardless of the interactions with the faith community. Stay encouraged, the Lord is always good regardless of what the faith community is like in your experience.
#6
Thank you Maria I appreciate that 
#7
The life of our Lord was filled with private devotion as well as collective discipleship. The two are no enemies, but rather both are necessitated by the two Greatest Commands. i.e., I love God and out of that love I therefore retreat into His presence and His wonderful, gracious words. I love neighbor, and therefore out of that love I do exhort them towards the One solely equipped to “fill full” their lives and the purpose of their very being.

Luke records of Christ that He "often withdrew to lonely places and prayed". And yet His ministry was characterized by the intensive apprenticeship of His disciples, wherein they followed Him and learned from His example how to live as God intended from the beginning.

In the Petrine epistle, Christ is said to have left a pattern (tupos) for us to follow in His footsteps. If we fail to follow after (pursue) His example of either private devotion or collective devotion, it seems we would be missing part of that picture, and failing — in part — to follow in His footsteps.

We are told not to look each one of us to our own interests, but to look out for the benefit of our brethren (Philippians 2:4), and to “bear one another’s burdens and so fulfill the law of Christ” (Galatians 6:2) This requires attentiveness (“look unto”, he says) to a community of believers (Philippians 2:4).

And yet we are told shortly thereafter in the same passage that each must bear his own burden (Galatians 6:5).

Therefore, I am the keeper of my brother. I would adopt the spirit of Cain were I to reject this truth.

And yet, each ONE (individual) must “appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil”. And no one shall answer in that capacity on my behalf. My own allegiance and fidelity is the burden that, ultimately, I alone must carry and be responsible for.

As concerns overconfidence in the messages from the pulpit and lack of critical examination, I recall that the Spirit expressly commands us in 2 Thessalonians to “prove all things; hold fast to what is good”. 

The same aforementioned passage of Galatians contains the statement “if anyone thinks he is something, when he is nothing, he deceives himself. But let each one test his own work, and then his reason to boast will be in himself alone and not in his neighbor.” 

Just as we must test (prove) all teachings, so we must prove our own practice, to test whether it indeed accords with the holy and most beneficent will of God as revealed by Christ through them that He chose to record His doctrine. Just as the Bereans did test and prove the gospel preached by Paul, in confirming it via the Spirit-inspired text of the Old Testament messianic prophecies. 

We must test and prove: is this patterned after Christ?



Excursus

There are several things Paul says in the prison epistles that encourage me when I am frustrated with local fellowship. These encourage me because they remind me that God has a big picture plan for His sheep (those that hear Christ’s voice and follow Him)

“He has taken captive many captives, and given gifts to men.”

And He gave some as apostles, some as prophets, some as evangelists, and some as shepherds and teachers, for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the building up of the body of Christ (Ephesians 4:8, 11–12).

And all of this is unto growth—“that we may grow up in all things into Him who is the head, Christ”—from whom the whole body, being fitted and knit together through that which every joint supplies, according to the working of each individual part, causes the growth of the body for the building up of itself in love (Ephesians 4:15–16).

And what is the church for? What is its telos?

The Church is to display Christ: “the manifold wisdom of God” is to be made known through the Church, even to “the principalities and the authorities in the heavenly places” (Ephesians 3:10).

This is according to the eternal purpose which God purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord (Ephesians 3:11)—that in all things Christ might have the preeminence (Colossians 1:18), and that in all things He might be all in all (cf. Ephesians 1:23; 1 Corinthians 15:28).

Therefore, the Church is not an end in itself.

Christ is.

The gifts are for the work.
The work is the building up of the body.
The body grows toward its Head, Christ — Eternal Wisdom from the Father, who became love incarnate, and through Whom are grace, and peace.


And every joint supplies.

To Him alone be the glory, in the church, unto all generations, forever and ever.

Amen.


#8
Hi brother John thanks for sharing. I want you to know that I completely agree with what you shared. You brought up some issues to bring a more rounded perspective of individualism and collectivism. Some of your thoughts had not even crossed my mind. However I almost took you the wrong way. For instance I was hurriedly reviewing your comments a several days ago, and when you began bringing up the need to care for each other. I almost assumed that you were accusing me of such a thing, but I believe I was wrong. You were not trying to attack me. You were only broadening the subject. And I appreciate that. What led me to such to such a pre-assumption? Well I was hurriedly speed reading and also past experiences from people I happen to go to Church with. I am not sure how much more I should say in regrad to my local fellowship. But I will say I am completely dedicated to following the commandments of Jesus Christ. And the very reason why I actually go to Church is to interact with and support the spiritual wellbeing of my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ. Well anyways thanks again and God bless you brother 

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