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Bercot wonders what the Waldensians thought as former victims of burning who now belonged to a movement that burned others; what do you think changes in a persecuted group when it gains power, and what practices would early Kingdom Christians have used to prevent that reversal?

Another way to ask: Bercot asks what the Waldensians thought after surviving burnings but later being part of a movement that burned others. What tends to change when a persecuted group gets power, and how could early Kingdom Christians have prevented that?

Direct Answer Bercot’s question implies that when a persecuted group gains power, it can begin using the same coercive tools once used against it, reversing roles from victims to enforcers. The transcript doesn’t list early Kingdom Christian “practices” in detail here, but it points toward rejecting the sword and refusing to treat the state as the instrument of Christ’s kingdom.

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Bercot says, “I can't help but wonder what the Waldensians thought,” since they had been “hunted down and burned,” and now were “part of a movement that was doing the same thing to others.”
Geneva’s system used state power: compulsory church attendance, surveillance, torture, banishment, and execution.
Bercot frames this as the “Constantinian hybrid,” joining church and state.
He stresses Jesus’ reason for nonviolence: disciples did not fight because His kingdom is “not of this world.”
He concludes Calvin’s “new Zion” was “a kingdom of this world,” like earthly kingdoms.

Discussion Follow-ups What habits keep a church from becoming an “enforcer” when it has influence—humility, patience, refusal to coerce? How could remembering past suffering shape how we treat opponents today?

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