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Question 6

Irenaeus’ “wild olive grafted” analogy says conversion doesn’t remove the nature of the flesh but changes “the quality of its fruit…his works”; how does that land with the way your tradition talks about faith, works, and assurance, and what “different name” (identity) should realistically show up in observable behavior?

Another way to ask: If conversion changes the “fruit” (your actions) but doesn’t remove having a body, how does that fit with how your church talks about faith, works, and assurance? What kind of new identity should show up in visible, everyday behavior?

Direct Answer Based on the transcript, conversion is real and observable: you keep your human nature, but your “fruit”—your works—changes, and you receive a new identity as a “spiritual man.” This challenges any assurance that is detached from transformed behavior.

Support from Transcript:

Irenaeus: like a wild olive grafted in, a man “does not lose the nature of his flesh. Rather, he changes the quality of the fruit brought forth, that is, his works.”
Conversion includes receiving the Spirit: “grafted into Christ by faith and receives the Spirit of God.”
The “different name” signals change: “no longer called flesh and blood, but… a spiritual man.”
Chrysostom stresses Paul can’t mean bodilessness; it’s a change in “the fleshly life,” so the flesh “is transformed into the spiritual manner of living.”
Romans 8:13 is applied: continuing a fleshly life leads to death; thus fruit matters for final outcome.

Discussion Follow-ups If someone claims strong faith and strong assurance, what kinds of “fruit” would the transcript expect to see—and what absences would be alarming?

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