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Question 8
The British presbyters argue that accepting gifts from excommunicated people “shows their repentance” and that refusing is “the same as refusing to forgive them”; how does Patrick’s “What about the poor who can’t give such gifts?” expose a theological or practical flaw in their logic, and what modern church practices risk turning repentance into something the wealthy can perform more easily?
Another way to ask: How does Patrick’s question, “What about the poor who can’t give such gifts?” show what’s wrong with the presbyters’ argument? What church habits today might make repentance easier for the rich than for the poor?

Direct Answer Patrick exposes that their logic ties repentance (and implied forgiveness) to the ability to give money, which creates a double standard where rich sinners can “prove” repentance through gifts while the poor cannot.

Support from Transcript:

  • The presbyters claim gifts “show their repentance,” and refusal is like “refusing to forgive them.”
  • Patrick challenges the fairness and theology of that: “What about the poor who can’t give such gifts?”
  • He names the core danger: “Am I to have a double standard… between the rich and the poor?”
  • The whole conflict begins because a king’s jewels are seen as mission funding, showing how money can gain leverage.
  • Patrick’s earlier principle—“treating wealthy and poor alike”—sets the standard he thinks their view violates.
Discussion Follow-ups The transcript doesn’t list modern examples, but it clearly warns against equating repentance with financial giving. A follow-up question: do we ever treat generous donors as “more restored” or “more trustworthy” than those who can only repent with words and changed life?