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Patrick argues that even apostles had “backsliders, lukewarm Christians, and false brethren” among converts; how does that claim challenge modern expectations of church growth, revival reports, or metrics of “success,” and how should it reshape what we celebrate or question?

Another way to ask: How does Patrick’s point that even the apostles had weak and false converts challenge how we measure “success” in church growth or revivals? What should we celebrate or question because of that?

Direct Answer Patrick’s point challenges the idea that many converts automatically means a pure, consistently faithful church; even true apostolic missions had mixed results, so “success” can’t be measured only by numbers or enthusiasm.

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Patrick affirms excitement while correcting assumptions: it’s a “mistake to imagine that all of our converts are exemplary Christians.”
He anchors this in apostolic experience: “Even the apostles had plenty of backsliders, lukewarm Christians, and false brethren.”
Despite “the Irish… flocking to the church by the thousands,” he still expects moral failure and the need for discipline.
He connects long-term faithfulness to discipline: without it, the work can be “destroyed by Satan,” implying growth requires guarding the church.
He directs credit away from human metrics: “the credit doesn’t go to me… It’s God who’s doing everything.”

Discussion Follow-ups This raises the question: when we hear impressive reports, do we also ask about repentance, endurance, and holiness? What do we celebrate—numbers, or a community learning to obey Christ?

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