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Question 7
Bill Shiley rejects the idea that God spreads a camouflage of Jesus' righteousness over us, and he says the fire or the barn depends on practicing Christ's law or lawlessness. How does that confront common modern assumptions about grace and assurance?
Another way to ask: Bill Shiley says God does not just cover us with Jesus' righteousness, and that the judgment depends on how we live. How does that challenge modern ideas about grace and being sure of salvation?

Direct Answer

It confronts the assumption that a person can be safe at the judgment while his real life stays unchanged. Bill teaches that God is after actual Christ-like fruit in our lives.

Support from the Message

- Bill says being found in Christ's righteousness means having the same kind of righteousness, one that reaches to the bottom of our being. - He shows a joke version of the wheat and tares passage on his slides, where those who strive to be righteous are the ones thrown out, to expose what much of Christianity seems to say. - He then reads what Jesus actually says: the angels gather out all things that offend and those who practice lawlessness. - He says that in the end, what lands us in the fire or the barn is whether we practiced Christ's law or lawlessness. - He adds that righteousness and good works are things to be desired and pursued.

Discussion Follow-up

Where does your own sense of assurance rest? How would you explain the place of grace and fruit to a friend who gets uneasy when good works are mentioned?