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Question 6

He cautions “don’t tempt the Lord” by “laying out the fleece,” claiming “no really New Testament precedent”; where do you see Christians today using “signs” to justify choices they already want, and how does his alternative approach (“real hurdles I need to work through”) change the way guidance should be sought?

Another way to ask: Where do Christians today look for “signs” from God to support what they already want to do? How does the speaker’s idea of working through real obstacles change how we should look for guidance?

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Direct Answer
The speaker warns against inventing arbitrary “signs” to confirm what you already want, and he urges a more mature approach: identify real obstacles and seek wise, practical resolution rather than superstition. The transcript doesn’t list modern examples beyond his “daisy petals” illustration, but his critique clearly targets wish-driven guidance.

Support from Transcript:

He commands: “don’t tempt the Lord,” and says not to “lay out the fleece before the Lord.”
He claims “there's no really New Testament precedent for this.”
He defines fleece-signs as “some arbitrary sign that you make up…to confirm what you want to do.”
His example: “Pulling the petals off of a daisy isn’t the best idea to determine whether she loves you.”
He contrasts his own approach: “these were real hurdles…not…asking God for a sign…‘things that I need to work through.’”
His hurdles included mental health, employment/support, meeting parents, and visiting her church.

Discussion Follow-ups What would it look like in your community to replace “sign-seeking” with identifiable hurdles, counsel, and concrete next steps?

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