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Question 9
The teacher labels popular Trinity illustrations (egg, apple, triangle) “heretical” because they erase headship/origin and imply mutual dependence (“if you take one away, all disappear”). What does his critique suggest early Christians assumed about God that many modern Christians forget, and how would you re-evaluate the theological instincts behind using “simple illustrations” if the simplification subtly changes the doctrine?
Another way to ask: He says Trinity pictures like an egg or triangle can teach the wrong thing because they hide the Father as the source and make the persons seem mutually dependent. What do you think early Christians assumed about God that we often forget, and how should that affect how we use “simple” illustrations?
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His critique suggests early Christians assumed an eternal “origin” in the Father: the Father is self-existent and would remain even if (hypothetically) the Son and Spirit were removed, while the Son and Spirit depend on the Father. He argues that simple illustrations can quietly replace that with mutual dependence and no headship, turning the Trinity into something like equal parts of one object.
- Egg illustration: he says the early church would call it “heretical” because “there’s no headship… no source.”
- He contrasts it with orthodoxy: “the Father is always there… autotheos… God of himself,” while Son/Spirit are “dependent… from the Father.”
- He criticizes mutual dependence: “If you take away one, they all disappear,” which he says is not true in the orthodox understanding.
- Apple illustration: again “no headship… no origin,” so it misrepresents the Trinity’s structure.
- Triangle diagram: also “heretical” because it implies equality “not just in nature, but in headship,” and removing a side collapses the whole.
- He ties these to Augustine’s outcome: the persons become “like three brothers,” with no eternal source.
- He repeatedly says the Father is “the origin of the Trinity,” grounding his objection.