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Study leader reference - not a definitive answer
Question 9
Origen claims Christians who pray are “more help to the emperors” than soldiers because prayers destroy demons that “stir up wars”; how would early Christians’ confidence in prayer-as-real-power critique the modern tendency to trust activism, politics, money, or force more than dependence on God?
Another way to ask: Origen says prayer helps more than soldiers because it fights the forces behind war. How does that view challenge how we today trust politics, activism, money, or force more than depending on God?
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Direct Answer
Marvin presents Origen’s view as a direct challenge to worldly assumptions: prayer is not passive but a stronger, kingdom-shaped power that confronts spiritual forces behind conflict. That critique exposes how easily modern Christians can default to visible tools—force, politics, money—while treating prayer as secondary.
- Origen responds to Celsus, who thought it “ridiculous” that Christians would not fight in the Roman army.
- Origen’s claim: piety and prayer help the empire “more…than waging war,” and prayer is “more effective” than joining the army.
- Direct quote: “We who by our prayers destroy all demons which stir up wars…are of more help to the emperors than those who seem to be doing the fighting.”
- Marvin calls it “a crazy statement,” highlighting how upside-down the kingdom logic is.
- He concludes: “Perhaps prayer is the single most important tool” for bringing the kingdom “through weakness rather than power and control.”
- Prayer is “a statement of our utter reliance on the king…an admittance of our helplessness,” and yet gives “access to unimaginable power.”