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Question 5
When the speaker says the “red stuff” (crowned with glory, honor, all things under his feet) doesn’t look like humanity as we see it now, what are the most uncomfortable implications of admitting that Scripture speaks a destiny over “human nature generally” that appears totally contradicted by present reality?
Another way to ask: If Scripture says humanity is meant for glory and honor, but life now looks the opposite, what hard conclusions follow? What feels most unsettling about that gap?
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Direct Answer
The uncomfortable implication is that Scripture can declare something true about humanity’s intended status even when our present condition looks opposite—meaning we must admit both how far humanity has fallen and how certain God’s promise is, even when it feels unrealistic.
- He says the “red stuff” sounds unlike what we observe: “It seems to be describing man in a way that I really don't see in the world.”
- He contrasts “glory and honor” with what we actually see: “are the words…glory and honor, or does sinful and wicked seem to match us…better?”
- He questions whether we truly see mankind “set…over the works of your hand” in reality.
- He presses the biggest claim: “You have put all things into subjection under his feet. Do we see this?”
- He concludes: “Paul answers these questions with a resounding no…we do not yet see all things under him.”
- Yet he maintains the statements are still “Truth…True in that the Bible says so,” forcing us to hold promise and present tension together.