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Question 8

The teacher distinguishes between sword-carrying “Schradler” and staff-carrying “Schtabler,” noting the Schradler were “thousands more” but “died out quick”; what does that survival pattern suggest about what God sustains over time, and how should it affect how we define “success” in movements, denominations, or ministries?

Another way to ask: What might it mean that the sword-carrying group was much bigger but died out quickly, while the other group lasted? How should that change the way we measure “success” in churches or ministries?

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Direct Answer
The transcript suggests numerical size is not the same as lasting faithfulness: the larger, sword-carrying group disappeared while the smaller, nonviolent group endured. That pattern challenges definitions of “success” based mainly on growth, implying endurance may be tied to staying rooted in the original no-killing commitment.

Support from Transcript:

The speaker distinguishes two Anabaptist streams: Schradler “would carry the sword,” while Schtabler “would only carry a staff.”
He notes the numerical contrast: “The Schradler were thousands more than the Schtabler.”
He reports the outcome: “but the Schradler died out quick.”
He ties the surviving stream to clear nonviolence: the staff could “keep an animal away… but not kill,” whereas “with a sword, you could kill.”
He connects the Schtabler to lasting branches: “included…Hutterites, who were also totally pacifists.”
He warns against becoming “fuzzy” on the founding issue, suggesting endurance depends on rootedness.

Discussion Follow-ups What do we call “success” when a faithful minority outlasts a large majority? How might a ministry’s long-term health be evaluated differently if endurance in obedience mattered more than scale?

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